M11-P freezes too

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb BillCB:

Well, I'm one. I have an M11 and an M11-P

Me too. No freezes.

[thighslapper]

5 hours ago, BillCB said:

I wonder how many people don't have freezing issues and, of course, don't report that. Well, I'm one. I have an M11 and an M11-P and have had only a single issue despite several thousand shots on each camera. I do wait a second or two after turning on the camera before taking a shot - something I learned from my electric car - give the circuitry a moment to stabilize before driving off. May have no relevance but works for me.

It's this user variability that most owners find so frustrating. 

The problems are clearly related to specific settings, conditions and the way photographers use their particular camera.

My personal view is that all this results from Leica porting code from one camera model to the next and just tinkering with it to make it usable and incorporate new technology. As a result you get cumulative potential problems with suboptimal coding. Ideally they should do a bottom up re-write, which unfortunately is more expensive and time consuming.

In my time I have reported many glitches to Leica ...... only to get the reply that they couldn't replicate them .... or they didn't regard them as an issue with the camera ..... so as far as they were concerned they didn't exist. 

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[Herr Barnack]

On 1/31/2024 at 4:10 AM, thighslapper said:

It's this user variability that most owners find so frustrating. 

The problems are clearly related to specific settings, conditions and the way photographers use their particular camera.

My personal view is that all this results from Leica porting code from one camera model to the next and just tinkering with it to make it usable and incorporate new technology. As a result you get cumulative potential problems with suboptimal coding. Ideally they should do a bottom up re-write, which unfortunately is more expensive and time consuming.

In my time I have reported many glitches to Leica ...... only to get the reply that they couldn't replicate them .... or they didn't regard them as an issue with the camera ..... so as far as they were concerned they didn't exist. 

I think you are on to something. 

Not all M11 users have problems with the camera; some unfortunate few seem to be plagued with problems.  Why?? 

Live view, the Leica Fotos app and SD card selection seem to be common denominators.  Overheating may also be a factor - or overheating may be the result of all the previously mentioned factors, with overheating causing lock ups that require dropping the battery to fix.

Some may disagree, but IMHO a camera costing $9200 USD should not freeze up on the user.  That said, I am getting ready to drop that $9200 pound of flesh for an M11-P, hoping fervently that I don't end up like a newly turned drinking age virgin who marries a 40 year old stripper. 🙄

Edited Monday at 11:24 PM by Herr Barnack

[Stevejack]

14 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

I think you are on to something. 

Not all M11 users have problems with the camera; some unfortunate few seem to be plagued with problems.  Why?? 

Live view, the Leica Fotos app and SD card selection seem to be common denominators.  Overheating may also be a factor - or overheating may be the result of all the previously mentioned factors, with overheating causing lock ups that require dropping the battery to fix.

Some may disagree, but IMHO a camera costing $9200 USD should not freeze up on the user.  That said, I am getting ready to drop that $9200 pound of flesh for an M11-P, hoping fervently that I don't end up like a schmuck who marries a stripper. 🙄

I have both the M11 and the M11M, I use them in exactly the same way but only the M11M freezes. Identical SD cards, and I get freezes when I'm not using live view. 

The only difference between them from my side is the firmware. The M11M has the latest firmware, the M11 is still on its original firmware from release.

[Derbyshire Man]

2 minutes ago, Stevejack said:

I have both the M11 and the M11M, I use them in exactly the same way but only the M11M freezes. Identical SD cards, and I get freezes when I'm not using live view. 

The only difference between them from my side is the firmware. The M11M has the latest firmware, the M11 is still on its original firmware from release.

Interesting, M11-P here, 2.02. Freeze free if I use internal memory. Freezes if I use SD. Can use any other setting I want while recording to internal without it seems risk. I regard the camera as highly predictable/reliable. Coming up to 10,000 freeze frames with only (4) freezes in the 300-400 frames when using SD card before I swapped to internal.

[Stevejack]

14 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said:

Interesting, M11-P here, 2.02. Freeze free if I use internal memory. Freezes if I use SD. Can use any other setting I want while recording to internal without it seems risk. I regard the camera as highly predictable/reliable. Coming up to 10,000 freeze frames with only (4) freezes in the 300-400 frames when using SD card before I swapped to internal.

I've switched over to internal memory only as well now, and not keeping an SD in the camera at all. I haven't used the camera for more than a few frames since doing that but hopefully I'll know if it's solved the problem for me within the next week or so. Good to know you've had success here 👍

Edit: Last week I was using IN = SD which is mirroring the files from the internal drive to the SD card. When I went to download my files from the SD card, I had a corrupt DNG (I get these very frequently).
The particular image I wanted was the first in the series, and I reviewed it on the back of the camera after taking it so I know it was there.   When I had the corrupt file on the SD card, I went to get that image off the internal drive (which is why I was using IN=SD) but that filewas no longer on the internal drive. What I mean is, all the other images were there but that first shot was no longer on the camera. I couldn't review it on the back of the screen, and the file was missing from the drive. Very strange, and very concerning. 
I don't know if IN=SD means it writes to the SD card first, and then to the internal drive - but that's the only way I can see that this issue would occur. So that's why I've started using the internal drive now. We will see if it also solves the freezing issue. 

Edited Monday at 11:47 PM by Stevejack