lincoln_m Posted October 21, 2023 Share #41 Posted October 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now the original F2 shot. Notice the vignetting in the corners of the real 50mm summicron-M at F2 shot. The Lens blur feature might save me (£2500+) from buying the 50mm summilux for the odd time when more than F2 blur is needed? Lens blur is an interesting new toy/feature. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383039-does-bokeh-matter/?do=findComment&comment=4879357'>More sharing options...
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01maciel Posted October 21, 2023 Share #42 Posted October 21, 2023 Not bad. These features including all AI engines on the internet behave like a drunk man at the bar. He can say anything about anything, but nothing really makes sense to someone who is sober. I am old fashioned, I like fast lenses 😁 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Blanko Posted October 21, 2023 Share #43 Posted October 21, 2023 The next version of Lightroom Classic will have an AI-driven deepfake module and you will not need any camera at all anymore. For premium users they will offer an AI-driven Leica simulator add-on for 10 bucks per month, Noctilux simulator can be unlocked for 20 bucks per month. Too bad that I switched to C1 some time ago… 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Wien Posted October 22, 2023 Share #44 Posted October 22, 2023 16 hours ago, Robert Blanko said: The next version of Lightroom Classic will have an AI-driven deepfake module and you will not need any camera at all anymore. For premium users they will offer an AI-driven Leica simulator add-on for 10 bucks per month, Noctilux simulator can be unlocked for 20 bucks per month. Does anyone really need this? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 22, 2023 Share #45 Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, David Wien said: Does anyone really need this? When you want a Noctilux but can only afford a Summarit. 😄 Edited October 22, 2023 by evikne 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco McBeast Posted October 22, 2023 Share #46 Posted October 22, 2023 19 hours ago, Robert Blanko said: The next version of Lightroom Classic will have an AI-driven deepfake module and you will not need any camera at all anymore. For premium users they will offer an AI-driven Leica simulator add-on for 10 bucks per month, Noctilux simulator can be unlocked for 20 bucks per month. Too bad that I switched to C1 some time ago… It will come with an AIR LEICA CAMERA. You use the AIR LEICA all over the place, and when you come back home, you sit at your computer and Lightroom automatically guesses and generates a bunch of junk snapshots with a few excellent images for good measure. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 22, 2023 Share #47 Posted October 22, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 hours ago, Robert Blanko said: The next version of Lightroom Classic will have an AI-driven deepfake module and you will not need any camera at all anymore. At least they will have developed a cure for GAS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco McBeast Posted October 23, 2023 Share #48 Posted October 23, 2023 19 hours ago, pgk said: At least they will have developed a cure for GAS. The Air-Leica will beca nice chunk of HEAVY Brass. The chip monitoring the waste-to-eye movement will determine the production of the fake lightroom files. We will lust for the imperative Air-Leica camera, without which generating images will be impossible. Brassing the Air-Leica will become an exercise into itself. The chip will sensethe amount of love the Air-Leica will receive and it will give the Love back on screen, measured exactly. Basically, the more you fondle your Air-Leica, the more your photography will look like Steve McCurry. There will also be the programmed obsescence, where suddenly your pics will stop progressing… you will need the newest Air-Leica… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrM Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share #49 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Bronco McBeast said: ….There will also be the programmed obsescence, where suddenly your pics will stop progressing… you will need the newest Air-Leica… Unlikely to happen this lifetime, given the Leica firmware development speed.. Edited October 23, 2023 by DrM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted October 24, 2023 Share #50 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) On 10/21/2023 at 10:40 AM, lincoln_m said: Now the original F2 shot. Notice the vignetting in the corners of the real 50mm summicron-M at F2 shot. The Lens blur feature might save me (£2500+) from buying the 50mm summilux for the odd time when more than F2 blur is needed? Lens blur is an interesting new toy/feature. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I prefer the original f/2 image; it simply looks like what a Summicron “should” capture. It appears, well, more “natural.” In the processed image, the cow and the more-distant standing stones having the same amount of blur catch my eye as unnatural. In the original f/2 image, the cow is blurred less than the more-distant standing stones, and each of the distant standing stones vary in their amount of blur, as the distance becomes progressively farther. The vignetting in the unprocessed image appears as it “should” be. I tend to like some amount of vignetting. I really like the composition. The differing types of clouds, the standing stones, the trees/shrubs, and the cow are all so well-arranged, within the frame. 🙂 Edited October 24, 2023 by RexGig0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted October 24, 2023 Share #51 Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 11:10 AM, DrM said: Hi With the new AI feature for bokeh (https://petapixel.com/2023/10/10/lightroom-has-a-new-lens-blur-feature-that-simulates-depth-of-field/), how much do you still go for a specific lens character? Maybe a bit provocative, but with the rise of computational photography, how much value is shifting from lens to post-processing, and are you taking (or do you see yourself) making different lens choices in the future? See an example below. Best, Marc Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The amount of bokeh in the first image appears natural. The bokeh in the second image appears unnatural. Because this scene has distant light sources, producing “bokeh balls,” they are a convenient reference. The bokeh balls appearing on the closer light sources should be LESS blurred than the more-distant lights. I own both Summilux-M and Summicron-M 50mm lenses. Each has its own “character,” and, bokeh difference are only part of that character. I am going to prefer the Summilux, for most close-range images of people, even if the background is uniformly all-white, all-black, all-sky-blue, or any other featureless background. The distinctive character of the Summilux background blur is only part of the overall equation. Notably, I did not start with a Summicron-M 50mm lens, and then “upgrade” to the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH. I started with the Summilux, then later added the Summicron, for various reasons. I have, since, accumulated three more 50mm M-mount lenses, each having at least a small role that the others cannot fill. It may be possible, now or after future updates, to use this LR blur tool to adjust the amount of bokeh, so that different things at different distances appear more natural, but, I do not like sitting in front of a monitor, and, the very idea of prolonged mouse-manipulating gives me a wrist-ache. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 24, 2023 Share #52 Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 12:31 PM, Erato said: You have to be brave to be real in a fake society Best ever comment. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted October 24, 2023 Share #53 Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/21/2023 at 4:35 PM, lincoln_m said: To test Lr Lens blur I went out (to Avebury stone circle) and took shots with 50mm summicron-M at f5.6 and f2 to see if I could make the f5.6 look like the f2 by using Lens Blur. When you first choose the Lens Blur feature it does seem to work, even on 5000 year old standing stones instead of people, but the effect seems to be much more than F2 perhaps F1.2 or F1, but reducing the effect gets close to F2. You can also adjust the in focus DOF both in front of and behind the subject which is quite clever considering its just a bunch of 2D pixels. Be careful! You don't know what forces you are meddling with! There was a documentary about the dangers of using modern technology to mess with Neolithic power back in the 1970s. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SwT0wLnT7Rc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakronox Posted October 25, 2023 Share #54 Posted October 25, 2023 I’m a bit late to this party and not to put too fine of a point on the question “does bokeh matter?” No, not in the slightest. In my opinion, if the most prominent thought a viewer has about your photo is the quality of the out-of-focus areas, then you haven’t done enough to make the in-focus area compelling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted October 25, 2023 Share #55 Posted October 25, 2023 Just bought a 5.6 lens. I guess bokeh won’t be seen… 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrM Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share #56 Posted October 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: Just bought a 5.6 lens. I guess bokeh won’t be seen… Well, depends on the focal length, subject distance.. https://www.photopills.com/calculators/dof Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted October 25, 2023 Share #57 Posted October 25, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 9:10 AM, DrM said: Hi With the new AI feature for bokeh (https://petapixel.com/2023/10/10/lightroom-has-a-new-lens-blur-feature-that-simulates-depth-of-field/), how much do you still go for a specific lens character? Maybe a bit provocative, but with the rise of computational photography, how much value is shifting from lens to post-processing, and are you taking (or do you see yourself) making different lens choices in the future? See an example below. Best, Marc Don't be ashamed. Even on films, there are burning and dodging or what not cheats. Anyone who shoots jepg has already processed their photos with some AI improvements. I bet you not, 100% of the people today did some photo improvements at some point (or obliviously). Nobody can define "too much" or "enough" editing. Technically there are no unedited jepg photos, all jepg images have been touched. Whoever shoots RAW because they want to edit the photos their own. Just some more fruits for thoughts, do you think using tilt-shift lenses consider not authentic? Notice, it changed the geometry that naked eyes don't see it in person. Most tilt-shift lens owners will claim your works aren't authentic if you use software correction. You can just ignore those people who lived in the past while shooting jepgs - hypocrites 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincoln_m Posted October 26, 2023 Share #58 Posted October 26, 2023 jaeger, Ah yes good point about tilt and shift which I associate mainly with Large Format analogue sheet film cameras but isn't it a new feature in M10R and M11 now? I must admit I'm making use of the Lr Transform feature for vertical and rotate adjustments to straighten any background converging/diverging verticals and wonky horizons. If my original image's background was already blurred (summilux/noctilux lenses?) then I probably wouldn't notice the tilted horizontals/verticals. At least now we have some features we can apply in post if needed to "improve" a shot taken in haste. I agree with the earlier comment answering the question, "does bokeh matter?" , that if the bokeh is the main thing noticed about your photo then you haven't done a good enough job with making the subject (the in focus part) interesting. My answer to the question is, "Yes sometimes it does matter, to me". If it appears harsh and distracting , then it becomes a noticeable part of the image when that wasn't my intention. I'm slowly learning that the bokeh can appear different for the same lens depending on how close the subject is to the lens and how far away the background is. I'm going to have to practice much more to learn how each lens renders the background at different apertures/distances, a lifetimes work. On M cameras we can't always shoot wide open in bright light when we only have a min ISO of 100 and min shutter of 1/4000. I remember some brave person said they shot a whole wedding with 50mm Noctilux wide open. I can't remember if it was on an M body or an SL. Noctilux on M rangefinder sounds tricky for accurate focus for portraits. With an SL you can focus peak/zoom via the joystick but that's even slower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted October 26, 2023 Share #59 Posted October 26, 2023 Quote "The M11-P pioneers the use of secure metadata in compliance with the Content Authenticity Initiative (CAI) open-source standard. This feature provides an additional layer of transparency when designing and modifying an image. It allows information such as names, dates, changes made and tools used to be securely attached, creating awareness of the file's origin. With Content Credentials, each Leica M11-P image captured receives a digital signature backed by a CAI-compliant certificate. The authenticity of images can be easily verified at any time using a freely available, open-source CAI tool or by visiting https://contentcredentials.org/verify ." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted October 26, 2023 Share #60 Posted October 26, 2023 Expect a new sub-forum for CAI-compliant, unadulterated images soon... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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