New 28mm lenses from Voigtlander - including LTM

[pgk]

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44 minutes ago, pegelli said:

..... have high resolution performance from edge to edge at maximum aperture, allowing you to fully experience all that the 40MP sensor has to offer. Lenses not listed will also allow you to experience the improved resolution performance of the 40MP sensor .....

So by this 'standard' the 50/1.4 Leica M Summilux would not be as viable as the newer aspheric version😉. Whilst the aspheric lens improves wide-open performance, there are many users who are very satisfied with the non-aspheric lens.

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Edited July 17, 2023 by pegelli

[pgk]

2 minutes ago, pegelli said:

That should read "Fujifilm said" and not "pegelli said"

It should, but it automaticaly doesn't!

[pippy]

9 minutes ago, pgk said:

So by this 'standard' the 50/1.4 Leica M Summilux would not be as viable as the newer aspheric version😉. Whilst the aspheric lens improves wide-open performance, there are many users who are very satisfied with the non-aspheric lens.

A 60Mp sensor will allow one appreciate the "Ugly Nervous Swirly Bokeh" endemic to certain (un-named) older lenses in even greater detail!

Philip.

[Smudgerer]

6 minutes ago, pippy said:

A 60Mp sensor will allow one appreciate the "Ugly Nervous Swirly Bokeh" endemic to certain (un-named) older lenses in even greater detail!

Philip.

A bonus truly worth the extra lift from one's wallet........

[charlesphoto99]

18 hours ago, Krycek said:

Thanks, but my question is if Voigtländer lenses support the 60mpx resolution of the latest sensors. For some lenses a 60mpx sensor is a too high  resolution. I'd like to know what's the situation with Voigtländer lenses and high resolution sensors?

This has been gone over again and again - all lenses support 60mp, even the bottom of a soda bottle would give you all of your 60mp. The lens determines the character, or 'signature' of the look (which you may or may not like). 

[raizans]

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Empirically, how much of a difference in system MTF is required to reliably observe an improvement in detail?

[pippy]

31 minutes ago, raizans said:

Empirically, how much of a difference in system MTF is required to reliably observe an improvement in detail?

There is no meaningful answer to that question. In theory every improvement will be 'observable' to a certain extent under certain circumtances.

Philip.

 

[pegelli]

1 hour ago, raizans said:

Empirically, how much of a difference in system MTF is required to reliably observe an improvement in detail?

I think this depends on output size and viewing distance

[hansvons]

Nothing to add besides the observation that this forum is full of essential knowledge and way beyond!!

[Malabito]

7 hours ago, Smudgerer said:

I've dealt with Jo Geier quite a lot, not only for Voitglander lenses but for used equipment too, and have always been more than satisfied with their customer service, the quality of the used gear offered for sale plus they are knowledgeable people to deal with.

i bought my 40mm vm from them, i was satisfy with the service.

[pedaes]

2 hours ago, pippy said:

There is no meaningful answer to that question.

On his excellent subscription site, Sean Reid often talks about how a lens 'draws' on a specific sensor.  which seems to capture (excuse pun)  what it is all about - the final image. 

Edited July 17, 2023 by pedaes

[Huss]

2 hours ago, pippy said:

There is no meaningful answer to that question. In theory every improvement will be 'observable' to a certain extent under certain circumtances.

Philip.

 

Exactly.  You're being suckered by marketing if you think you need to upgrade your lenses.  Even Nikon lists their old lenses as fully compatible with their newest highest rez sensors.  I've pixel peeped with my ancient Leica lenses - as well as modern ones - on high rez sensors.  And there is no issue. 

The difference is in rendering characteristics.  

[pgk]

3 hours ago, raizans said:

Empirically, how much of a difference in system MTF is required to reliably observe an improvement in detail?

When I started looking at MTF testing (I did carry out MTF testing for a period on camera lenses) I was first told that a 'rule of thumb' was that when the graph reaches ~10% then the image would be unrecognisable. I've never actually checked empirically but it seems to me that its not a bad figure to work with😀. Visual perception is a complex business though, and depends on a lot of factors including inevitably, recognition, so I'd guess its ~10% +/- a bit depending on (fudge) 'factors'.

FWIW I did experiment on two camera systems whilst studying. And proved conclusively that at 10" x 8" off 35mm there was no perceptual difference between them (Leica and Minolta as it happens), but that was in film days when the CofC was worked out for 10" x 8" and a viewing distance. We are in a different world now and expect 35mm sized sensors to deliver 10" x 8" Large Format 'quality' + some.

[pippy]

20 minutes ago, Huss said:

...I've pixel peeped with my ancient Leica lenses - as well as modern ones - on high rez sensors.  And there is no issue. The difference is in rendering characteristics...

^ This ^

Shooting at f1.5 on the '53 Summarit (M) with my 24mp M-D Typ-262 renders exactly the same"Ugly Nervous Swirly Bokeh" as I get with my 18mp M9-M; just in slightly finer resolution. With a 60mp M11 the resolution would give even finer resolution but the rendering would remain unaffected.

Philip.

Edited July 17, 2023 by pippy

[C. Bulon]

Am 17.7.2023 um 10:55 schrieb BastianK:

Never ordered from there before, but will give it a try and just sent them an Email.

I used to get my Voigtländer lenses from Robert White (they also often provided review samples),
but post-Brexit this is sadly not really an option anymore.

@Bastian,
Bought my last Voigtländer Heliar 2.8-40mm ltm lens at Leica Store Constance .
Ms. Franziska Reichel was very helpful in pre-ordering and pricing.

[Greenhilltony]

On 7/15/2023 at 12:25 AM, Huss said:

 So it looks like the type 1 is like their 40 2.8?  If so, I would definitely go with the type 2 for the way better ergos.  Changing the aperture on the T1 moves focus, so u need to set aperture first, then focus. But it is a v cool design.
The v2 version obviously is meant to compete against the Elmarit Asph 28 v2, as the Ultron does against the Summicron.
Difference being the v2 actually looks very nice, while the Ultron is well, ugly (even though it is optically great).

I don’t like the lens barrel design of Ultron, either, mostly because of the design of DOF indicator.

[Xavier]

Not sure exactly when it will be available, but I just noticed today that it was listed at 649 € for the type I and 699 € for the type II at a French online store. I am a bit surprised they are not priced the same.

Edited July 26, 2023 by Xavier

[lct]

Seems like V2 is lighter (106g vs 143g in black) with a closer MFD (0.5m vs 0.7m) and more usual filter size (39mm vs 34mm), which may explain the price difference, but that's just a guess on my part.

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[setuporg]

On 7/14/2023 at 11:57 PM, 250swb said:

Also an owner of the fantastic 28mm Skopar LTM I don't think I'd be interested in replacing it with the new one, not only because of the new 34mm filter size but because it now also has a focus lock! All new lenses are welcomed but it seems Cosina have gone all out for a 1930's retro style and ergonomics, which is great for posing on street corners and photographing your camera on a table next to a Latte, but come on, you've got to unlock it to focus and carry another set of filters around, forget it. 

C’mon, picturing your Leica next to a latte is the ultimate state of leicmanship’