New 28mm lenses from Voigtlander - including LTM

[oldwino]

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Type I:  https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-type-i/
Type II:  https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-type-ii/
LTM:  https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-ll39/

Now, where the the viewfinders we will need to use this on our Barnacks?

Edited July 14, 2023 by oldwino

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[Dennis]

1 hour ago, oldwino said:

Type I:  https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-type-i/
Type II:  https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-type-ii/
LTM:  https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-ll39/

Now, where the the viewfinders we will need to use this on our Barnacks?

I would say Type II

106 gr

E39

MFD 50cm

.

It could be an interesting lens to check out if it performs "similarly" to a modern Elmarit. We'll see.

[raizans]

This reminds me that I should really get a Barnack and repaint it black.

[oldwino]

27 minutes ago, Dennis said:

I would say Type II

106 gr

E39

MFD 50cm

.

It could be an interesting lens to check out if it performs "similarly" to a modern Elmarit. We'll see.

The ergonomics of the type II are much better - agreed. The Heliar 40 in LTM is fiddly, but you get used to it. 
I could use the type II on my CL classic, which would be a nice compact kit. But then I could never use it on my Barnacks. 
 

Good thing I have some time to think about it…

[Huss]

 So it looks like the type 1 is like their 40 2.8?  If so, I would definitely go with the type 2 for the way better ergos.  Changing the aperture on the T1 moves focus, so u need to set aperture first, then focus. But it is a v cool design.
The v2 version obviously is meant to compete against the Elmarit Asph 28 v2, as the Ultron does against the Summicron.
Difference being the v2 actually looks very nice, while the Ultron is well, ugly (even though it is optically great).

[pedaes]

58 minutes ago, Dennis said:

I would say Type II

Think I would agree. Whilst the look and brass body of Type I is attractive, the .5m minimum focus is a draw. 

F & M say August delivery, £519 on Robert White site. 

[Ouroboros]

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I liked the black paint on brass of the original 28mm skopar ltm and the more sensible 39mm filter thread.  That little lens was in a class of it's own, constructionally and optically.

Whilst I'm pleased CV have finally reissued the 28mm skopar, I'm disappointed the T1 has been given a 34mm filter thread.  I'll probably buy one or other of them, though.  

I like 28mm lenses.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Ouroboros

[cboy]

Everyone will have their preference but personally the type 2 looks compact and streamlined.

Has the optical formula been tweaked compared to the previous version 

[Krycek]

Hi,
Which Voigtländer VM lenses can be used without problems/restrictions with a sensor larger than 60 Mpx? Is there a list?
Thanks in advance!

[250swb]

Also an owner of the fantastic 28mm Skopar LTM I don't think I'd be interested in replacing it with the new one, not only because of the new 34mm filter size but because it now also has a focus lock! All new lenses are welcomed but it seems Cosina have gone all out for a 1930's retro style and ergonomics, which is great for posing on street corners and photographing your camera on a table next to a Latte, but come on, you've got to unlock it to focus and carry another set of filters around, forget it. 

[Ouroboros]

41 minutes ago, 250swb said:

Also an owner of the fantastic 28mm Skopar LTM I don't think I'd be interested in replacing it with the new one, not only because of the new 34mm filter size but because it now also has a focus lock! All new lenses are welcomed but it seems Cosina have gone all out for a 1930's retro style and ergonomics, which is great for posing on street corners and photographing your camera on a table next to a Latte, but come on, you've got to unlock it to focus and carry another set of filters around, forget it. 

I suppose a 34-39 step-up ring would solve the problem, but It wouldn’t be very elegant.  I’m an habitual lens hood user (apart from my 28mm summaron-m which does not need a hood), so that means I’d need to find another lens hood if I use 39mm filters.

 The T2 has a 39mm filter thread which makes the T1 34mm filter thread even more annoying.

 The original 28mm skopar ltm has a 39mm screw in brass hood, this new lens has an aluminium hood.  That’s only a small point and isn’t a deal breaker but it would  have been nice if brass had been carried through as the original ltm lens hood  was.

In looks and feel,  a black painted brass hood is a world apart from from black anodised aluminium.

The focus lock isn’t a major issue for me, my 50mm r/s elmar f3.5 and 40mm f2.8 Heliar asph both have them.  

The T1 ltm would pair nicely with my 40mm f2.8 Heliar asph ltm and it does share the same 34mm filter thread, so I seem to be talking myself into buying a T1 to use with the 40mm Heliar asph mainly on my iiif.

Edited July 15, 2023 by Ouroboros

[lct]

Too bad i don't like screw-in hoods. Are there bayonet hoods available for T1 or T2 versions?

[NigelG]

I have way too many 28s but the type 2 looks a great lightweight replacement for the silver 28 3.5 Skopar LTM I was using on M mount and foolishly sold…(he says while waiting delivery of a titanium TT 5.6 to go with 2x chrome 🙄)

Does this new design finally herald the end of the hateful chrome hood bayonet ring that has always put me off later VM lenses?

[TomB_tx]

5 hours ago, 250swb said:

but come on, you've got to unlock it to focus

As I read the description, I don't think this is like the old lock-at-infinity that had to be released to focus (which I never found a problem), but rather a stop at .7m before going beyond the RF focus limit to .5m. I suspect it is really a click-stop detent so you tactically feel when the RF has reached its limit. This is what Nikon used on their ltm 50 HC lenses, and works great.

Of course if your M3 still has a 1m minimum RF...

[28framelines]

I don’t understand something: does the Type 2 have a detent like newer lenses from Leica that focus closer? And if not: why the heck does Voigtlander have to grift users of traditional minimum focus with a fancy lens design that seems inferior? I _don’t like 0.5m_ lenses because I can’t focus it on film. But the Type 2 definitely has the better build for actual usability. So, if it doesn’t have a detent, once again I’m just disappointed by Voigtlander. I _want_ to like their products but they make it hard as a film M user. And no. “Just guessing” is not fine. It makes it feel like people who shoot film are an afterthought.

[pedaes]

1 hour ago, 28framelines said:

I _don’t like 0.5m_ lenses because I can’t focus it on film.

Why, what difference does it make? Do you know the Type I has a more traditional .7m focus, so well done Voigtlander. And the LTM (screw) version hardly "makes it feel like people who shoot film are an afterthought". And Type I costs less than Type II, even though its brass.

I would guess most new Leica and Voigtlander lenses are going .5m minimum focus, so better get comfortable with it.

 

Edited July 15, 2023 by pedaes

[Dennis]

One can have Voigtlander VM lenses only and be super happy 🙂 There are plenty of choices: https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/

 

[Dennis]

The new 28mm type II? Today, it would be just gas. Don't need it. Yet!

But I'm sure there is someone ready to pull the trigger and get a brand-new type II, to tell us all about it.

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[28framelines]

1 hour ago, pedaes said:

Why, what difference does it make? Do you know the Type I has a more traditional .7m focus, so well done Voigtlander. And the LTM (screw) version hardly "makes it feel like people who shoot film are an afterthought". And Type I costs less than Type II, even though its brass.

I would guess most new Leica and Voigtlander lenses are going .5m minimum focus, so better get comfortable with it.

 

You seemed to skip the part where I said “just guessing” isn’t fine. Why can’t I get the better ergonomics too, if I want 0.7m focusing?

Thanks for the empathy though, the next time you’re upset something isn’t the way you like it on this forum, I’ll be sure to remind you to just “get comfortable with it.”

[pegelli]

14 hours ago, Krycek said:

Hi,
Which Voigtländer VM lenses can be used without problems/restrictions with a sensor larger than 60 Mpx? Is there a list?
Thanks in advance!

I think the answer is every VM lens

If you want to know why I think that is the case read the "Appendix" at the bottom of this article: https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/10/more-ultra-high-resolution-mtf-experiments/

Edited July 15, 2023 by pegelli