MP black paint, silver, or M6 2022

[Warton]

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On 7/11/2023 at 9:11 PM, Huss said:

Nah I'll wait until you have it in hand, just to make sure.

But here's a taste "What were you thinking?!!!..."

@Hussnow tell me why MP is superior to M-A? 😁

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Edited July 14 by Warton

[madNbad]

The black dot on the film reminder on the back door is a reminder for B&W film. The red one is for color. See you in the "I like film" thread.

Great combination, enjoy!

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[Huss]

5 hours ago, Warton said:

@Hussnow tell me why MP is superior to M-A? 😁

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For one, it doesn't have a weird black paint flaw in front of the hot shoe.

[Warton]

1 hour ago, Huss said:

For one, it doesn't have a weird black paint flaw in front of the hot shoe.

that's it dude. I am done here.

[Huss]

2 hours ago, Warton said:

that's it dude. I am done here.

I did say right at the beginning get an F80.  As for MP vs M-A?  I've never been in a situation where I've thought 'this camera would be so much better if they got rid of the light meter'.

Has the light meter built into an MP ever caused me to mess up a shot? No.  Has the meter-less M-A ever caused me to mess up a shot?  Yes.  Most of the times that may not matter, but that one time, that one brief, fleeting moment that will be gone forever...

[Warton]

7 hours ago, Huss said:

I did say right at the beginning get an F80.  As for MP vs M-A?  I've never been in a situation where I've thought 'this camera would be so much better if they got rid of the light meter'.

Has the light meter built into an MP ever caused me to mess up a shot? No.  Has the meter-less M-A ever caused me to mess up a shot?  Yes.  Most of the times that may not matter, but that one time, that one brief, fleeting moment that will be gone forever...

So the only superiority you see from MP is light meter? Then I agree with you it’s an advantage to have the meter. No doubt about it.

But with $1200 price difference I can live with carrying an external meter (sekonic I own), or a iPhone (which I always carry anyway). But again I agree with you that seeing those red arrows and dots in viewfinder is more convenient than taking out a meter and pressing a button, but that convenience is not worth $1200 to me

 

Edited July 15 by Warton

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3 hours ago, Warton said:

So the only superiority you see from MP is light meter? Then I agree with you it’s an advantage to have the meter. No doubt about it.

But with $1200 price difference I can live with carrying an external meter (sekonic I own), or a iPhone (which I always carry anyway). But again I agree with you that seeing those red arrows and dots in viewfinder is more convenient than taking out a meter and pressing a button, but that convenience is not worth $1200 to me

 

I prefer incident metering so there's no advantage for me to have a built-in reflective meter.  Couple that with the visible battery cover and the potential of a failed/unrepairable meter at some point and I'll stick to unmetered M cameras like my M-A, M4 and M2. 

You bought a silver M-A, right?  Decision made, now go out and make some pictures  🙂

[Huss]

5 hours ago, Warton said:

So the only superiority you see from MP is light meter? Then I agree with you it’s an advantage to have the meter. No doubt about it.

But with $1200 price difference I can live with carrying an external meter (sekonic I own), or a iPhone (which I always carry anyway). But again I agree with you that seeing those red arrows and dots in viewfinder is more convenient than taking out a meter and pressing a button, but that convenience is not worth $1200 to me

 

Of course that is the only superiority, it is the same camera!  But while you are fiddling with your external lightmeter, then transferring that information to your camera, that shot of a life time has come and gone..  I would gladly pay the extra $1200 to not miss that.

And it seems that others think it is worth it, which is why the MP is so much more expensive in your search.  But now, it doesn't matter.  You have your M-A, and can juggle that with your hand held meter to get shots.  but seriously, why did you black out your serial #?  

[Warton]

4 hours ago, Huss said:

Of course that is the only superiority, it is the same camera!  But while you are fiddling with your external lightmeter, then transferring that information to your camera, that shot of a life time has come and gone..  I would gladly pay the extra $1200 to not miss that.

And it seems that others think it is worth it, which is why the MP is so much more expensive in your search.  But now, it doesn't matter.  You have your M-A, and can juggle that with your hand held meter to get shots.  but seriously, why did you black out your serial #?  

I would have happily paid $1200 more to get MP black paint if both models were priced that much differently officially.

Let’s say hypothetically in US M-A is 5000, and M-P is 6200, I would have no problem of paying the extra to get M-P.

The fact is that both models are priced around 5500 in the states and I can get M-A for 4000, but MP for 5200. I would not get MP.

 

 

[Jewl]

I find it quite impressive that one can shoot with a camera without light meter as fast as with one that has one built in! 

If I think of myself fiddling around with an external light meter when it needs to be quite fast... I am sure I (personally) would have missed every single shot. And typically I don't have minutes to prepare my shot like in landscape, a studio etc. - even if you can neglect the focusing if using zone focusing. If I have to pay for every shot that is screwed up because of incorrect metering... On digital it would be fine to experiment around and you have the direct feedback anyway if you need to readjust! 

Anyway, long story short, I take off my hat to everyone who can master perfect shots with a Leica M-A. 

[Bronco McBeast]

The M6 2022 is Black Paint and Brass. This makes it the only regulat production M6 in Brass.

Even its film door is Brass, the ring around the shutter button. The Matte paint acquires a beautiful Patina.

I owned all Ms but stayed away from the M6 because of the Zinc bs. I’m glad the M6 has finally become what a true M camera is: brass.

 

[Jewl]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Bronco McBeast:

The M6 2022 is Black Paint and Brass. This makes it the only regulat production M6 in Brass.

Even its film door is Brass, the ring around the shutter button. The Matte paint acquires a beautiful Patina.

I owned all Ms but stayed away from the M6 because of the Zinc bs. I’m glad the M6 has finally become what a true M camera is: brass.

 

I don't believe that the new M6 will brass as fast as we know it from the MP or any other previous black paint M bodies. The "paint" is much more durable as it is the same as on the M11! Or have you seen a new M6 after heavy use that brasses? 

[Bronco McBeast]

Just now, Jewl said:

I don't believe that the new M6 will brass as fast as we know it from the MP or any other previous black paint M bodies. The "paint" is much more durable as it is the same as on the M11! Or have you seen a new M6 after heavy use that brasses? 

Mine.

It acquired a fine patina and started brassing at the usual places. I’m approximately 2-250 rolls into it.

Also, the rewind knob is entirely of brass, as opposed to brass + steel (or aluminum?) as seen on BP M4s.

I expect the door to start brassing, as well. Which is great because even the MP’s door is black chrome, therefore will not brass.

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[Jewl]

vor 48 Minuten schrieb Bronco McBeast:

Mine.

It acquired a fine patina and started brassing at the usual places. I’m approximately 2-250 rolls into it.

Also, the rewind knob is entirely of brass, as opposed to brass + steel (or aluminum?) as seen on BP M4s.

I expect the door to start brassing, as well. Which is great because even the MP’s door is black chrome, therefore will not brass.

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Oh okay nice! Then you are definitely one of the heavier users! 😉 

Edited August 3 by Jewl

[jakontil]

7 hours ago, Jewl said:

I find it quite impressive that one can shoot with a camera without light meter as fast as with one that has one built in! 

If I think of myself fiddling around with an external light meter when it needs to be quite fast... I am sure I (personally) would have missed every single shot. And typically I don't have minutes to prepare my shot like in landscape, a studio etc. - even if you can neglect the focusing if using zone focusing. If I have to pay for every shot that is screwed up because of incorrect metering... On digital it would be fine to experiment around and you have the direct feedback anyway if you need to readjust! 

Anyway, long story short, I take off my hat to everyone who can master perfect shots with a Leica M-A. 

Weird, but i shoot snappier with my M2 compared to MP or M6 due being the LM is distractive when you are used to seeing the scene in sunny16 rules, your eyes is the lightmeter and pre set everything prior shooting

[M.RB]

On 7/16/2023 at 4:54 AM, Huss said:

Of course that is the only superiority, it is the same camera!  But while you are fiddling with your external lightmeter, then transferring that information to your camera, that shot of a life time has come and gone..  I would gladly pay the extra $1200 to not miss that.

And it seems that others think it is worth it, which is why the MP is so much more expensive in your search.  But now, it doesn't matter.  You have your M-A, and can juggle that with your hand held meter to get shots.  but seriously, why did you black out your serial #?  

I know this is just a bit of fun so... I think you could argue that fiddling with your internal lightmeter (ie.; pointing it at something appropriate to meter off first), then transferring that information to your camera (and lens), that shot of a life time has come and gone.. 

A 1990s point and shoot was the right answer after all, you could have spent all the savings on a trip of a shot of a lifetime etc.  

For serious, enjoy your new camera, use it a lot! 

[Huss]

12 hours ago, M.RB said:

I know this is just a bit of fun so... I think you could argue that fiddling with your internal lightmeter (ie.; pointing it at something appropriate to meter off first), then transferring that information to your camera (and lens), that shot of a life time has come and gone.. 

A 1990s point and shoot was the right answer after all, you could have spent all the savings on a trip of a shot of a lifetime etc.  

For serious, enjoy your new camera, use it a lot! 

Any M is awesome.

[a.noctilux]

On 8/3/2023 at 9:33 AM, Jewl said:

I find it quite impressive that one can shoot with a camera without light meter as fast as with one that has one built in! 

If I think of myself fiddling around with an external light meter when it needs to be quite fast... I am sure I (personally) would have missed every single shot. And typically I don't have minutes to prepare my shot like in landscape, a studio etc. - even if you can neglect the focusing if using zone focusing. If I have to pay for every shot that is screwed up because of incorrect metering... On digital it would be fine to experiment around and you have the direct feedback anyway if you need to readjust! 

Anyway, long story short, I take off my hat to everyone who can master perfect shots with a Leica M-A. 

With some practices, everybody can.

Have a read here, and just practice a bit then get rid of the tool to be free

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[69xchange]

Wait… Black paint MP has a wait time of 12-20 months now?!? (According to Tim) 

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27 minutes ago, 69xchange said:

Wait… Black paint MP has a wait time of 12-20 months now?!? (According to Tim) 

Who's Tim?