geesbert Posted June 9 Share #1 Posted June 9 Advertisement (gone after registration) As most people feel bad because they will either never get a Q3 or will have to wait months to get one I'd like to collect all possible complaints about the Q3 to make them feel better: - Viewfinder blackout is considerable longer than with the Q2 - when the camera focuses the viewfinder resolution drops which looks a bit like 1990 VHS - AF doesn't really feel that much better (hopefully yet) - The design suffered from adding a tiltscreen, which is a bit hard to open - a threaded shutter button with no cable release functionality is idiotic - the door for the ports is ugly and looks like it might cave in after a couple of hundred openings - the bigger battery doesn't seem to last longer then the old one on the q2 - the two f buttons feel very alike, though one of them is slightly raised, it's easy to confuse them .... what have you found to bicker? Other than that, the Q3 is a camera as fantastic and as great as the Q2 and the Q1 before that, I shot hundreds of thousand pictures professionally and privately with those cameras, my Q2 shows its age but still works flawlessly, still I m happy to have had the chance to upgrade to a Q3. So don't be too sad if you can't upgrade right now. setuporg and bykatt 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Miltz Posted June 9 Share #2 Posted June 9 No camera is perfect. I hope Leica continues what it did with the Q2 and gives us consistent firmware updates which make the camera more functional. No your post didn’t make me feel better… lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted June 9 Share #3 Posted June 9 The Q2/Q3 is a beautifully made camera with a great lens that takes great pictures. The firmware quality and function is not so good. People keep saying, "oh well, I'm sure there will be a FW update that helps", but should that be the case for a premium product? The M11 is another good example of poor FW quality that many people have made excuses for. I do think that Leica are relying too heavily on their customer base being so understanding rather than investing in good firmware function, quality and testing before release. With the Q2 in particular I'm concerned that they rolled out so many specials editions in the latter years that it seemed they were promoting fashionable eye candy rather than focussing on quality. I guess that optimising FW function/quality comes from a different budget than high profile marketing, but, although it benefits Leica's bottom line I'm not sure it's a good sign for the future. Simone_DF and Eugene Young 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltz Posted June 9 Share #4 Posted June 9 32 minutes ago, Corius said: The Q2/Q3 is a beautifully made camera with a great lens that takes great pictures. The firmware quality and function is not so good. People keep saying, "oh well, I'm sure there will be a FW update that helps", but should that be the case for a premium product? The M11 is another good example of poor FW quality that many people have made excuses for. I do think that Leica are relying too heavily on their customer base being so understanding rather than investing in good firmware function, quality and testing before release. With the Q2 in particular I'm concerned that they rolled out so many specials editions in the latter years that it seemed they were promoting fashionable eye candy rather than focussing on quality. I guess that optimising FW function/quality comes from a different budget than high profile marketing, but, although it benefits Leica's bottom line I'm not sure it's a good sign for the future. For the record I had the Q2 since launch and I never had any issues. Yes the firmware updates made the camera better but my Q2 never froze or wouldn’t work as it was supposed to. My Nikon Z6 was the same. It got better over time, but it never had issues with working as intended. The M11 from what I have read is a different story. setuporg 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted June 10 Share #5 Posted June 10 M11 still connects to Fotos remarkably faster than Q1 Q2 or Q3. It's puzzling why . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted June 10 Share #6 Posted June 10 11 hours ago, geesbert said: As most people feel bad because they will either never get a Q3 or will have to wait months to get one I'd like to collect all possible complaints about the Q3 to make them feel better: - Viewfinder blackout is considerable longer than with the Q2 - when the camera focuses the viewfinder resolution drops which looks a bit like 1990 VHS - AF doesn't really feel that much better (hopefully yet) - The design suffered from adding a tiltscreen, which is a bit hard to open - a threaded shutter button with no cable release functionality is idiotic - the door for the ports is ugly and looks like it might cave in after a couple of hundred openings - the bigger battery doesn't seem to last longer then the old one on the q2 - the two f buttons feel very alike, though one of them is slightly raised, it's easy to confuse them .... what have you found to bicker? Other than that, the Q3 is a camera as fantastic and as great as the Q2 and the Q1 before that, I shot hundreds of thousand pictures professionally and privately with those cameras, my Q2 shows its age but still works flawlessly, still I m happy to have had the chance to upgrade to a Q3. So don't be too sad if you can't upgrade right now. I feel neither sad nor bad. I won't be buying the Q3; my Q2 is good enough. Salar1 and setuporg 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted June 10 Share #7 Posted June 10 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: Viewfinder blackout is considerable longer than with the Q2 So it is. For me the time is short enough, for others I know it is not. You have to try it out to see if it bothers you. Only Leica probably knows why that is. Maybe it will get better with a firmware update, but maybe it's technical limitations. vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: when the camera focuses the viewfinder resolution drops which looks a bit like 1990 VHS Try to set down the picture frequency from 120 to 60 Hz. vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: AF doesn't really feel that much better (hopefully yet) Yes, hopefully yet. A new firmware should bring improvements. vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: The design suffered from adding a tiltscreen, which is a bit hard to open This is a matter of taste. The new design doesn´t bother me at all. vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: a threaded shutter button with no cable release functionality is idiotic Many folks here love soft releases. vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: the door for the ports is ugly and looks like it might cave in after a couple of hundred openings Absolutels yes. I hate it. But it is not a big thing. vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: the bigger battery doesn't seem to last longer then the old one on the q2 I have no comparison. vor 11 Stunden schrieb geesbert: the two f buttons feel very alike, though one of them is slightly raised, it's easy to confuse them No, at least not for me. JetBlack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted June 10 Share #8 Posted June 10 (edited) 19 hours ago, geesbert said: As most people feel bad because they will either never get a Q3 or will have to wait months to get one I'd like to collect all possible complaints about the Q3 to make them feel better: - Viewfinder blackout is considerable longer than with the Q2 - when the camera focuses the viewfinder resolution drops which looks a bit like 1990 VHS - AF doesn't really feel that much better (hopefully yet) - The design suffered from adding a tiltscreen, which is a bit hard to open - a threaded shutter button with no cable release functionality is idiotic - the door for the ports is ugly and looks like it might cave in after a couple of hundred openings - the bigger battery doesn't seem to last longer then the old one on the q2 - the two f buttons feel very alike, though one of them is slightly raised, it's easy to confuse them .... what have you found to bicker? Other than that, the Q3 is a camera as fantastic and as great as the Q2 and the Q1 before that, I shot hundreds of thousand pictures professionally and privately with those cameras, my Q2 shows its age but still works flawlessly, still I m happy to have had the chance to upgrade to a Q3. So don't be too sad if you can't upgrade right now. You are a living proof that so called social media creates narcissists... Man...relax....get laid, have some ice cream or herbal tea... Edited June 10 by Genoweffa David Cantor, Simone_DF, Olaf_ZG and 5 others 1 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted June 10 Share #9 Posted June 10 (edited) Worst thread ever. What has mankind became? But, in order to get more likes, and to fight FOMO, I will need to start another thread: future complaints about the Q4. Edited June 10 by Olaf_ZG Grammar Nick_London, stuny, badmuts32 and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted June 10 Share #10 Posted June 10 57 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: Worst thread ever. What has mankind became? But, in order to get more likes, and to fight FOMO, I will need to start another thread: future complaints about the Q4. The Q4 doesn't: -have the resolution I NEED. -It's A/F isn't fast enough for me. -It doesn't feel intuitive. -And on and on. The same things that are said about EVERY NEW CAMERA 😆 Genoweffa, Olaf_ZG and JetBlack 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobsFirstLeica Posted June 10 Share #11 Posted June 10 The only complaint about the Q3 that I can think of is------ There aren't enough of them to go around to people who want them!!!!! 😀 Bob Daniel C.1975, JetBlack, stuny and 4 others 4 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted June 10 Share #12 Posted June 10 Absolutely brilliant, @geesbert, I feel so much better entrenched in my slogan, "3 is not for me!" Not upgrading from Q2 => X Q3 SL2 => X SL3 S 007 => X S3 M10-R/M => X M11/M (not a 3 but almost:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted June 11 Share #13 Posted June 11 2 hours ago, setuporg said: Absolutely brilliant, @geesbert, I feel so much better entrenched in my slogan, "3 is not for me!" Not upgrading from Q2 => X Q3 SL2 => X SL3 S 007 => X S3 M10-R/M => X M11/M (not a 3 but almost:) 11 in binary is 3 in decimal. setuporg and stuny 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 11 Share #14 Posted June 11 On 6/9/2023 at 10:15 PM, Corius said: The Q2/Q3 is a beautifully made camera with a great lens that takes great pictures. The firmware quality and function is not so good. People keep saying, "oh well, I'm sure there will be a FW update that helps", but should that be the case for a premium product? The M11 is another good example of poor FW quality that many people have made excuses for. I do think that Leica are relying too heavily on their customer base being so understanding rather than investing in good firmware function, quality and testing before release. With the Q2 in particular I'm concerned that they rolled out so many specials editions in the latter years that it seemed they were promoting fashionable eye candy rather than focussing on quality. I guess that optimising FW function/quality comes from a different budget than high profile marketing, but, although it benefits Leica's bottom line I'm not sure it's a good sign for the future. Well, bringing out specials has worked well for them since 1931. I would not worry too much about the future. stuny 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel C.1975 Posted June 11 Share #15 Posted June 11 (edited) I wonder about the list, a bit. To the AF. Yes, single point AF does not seem to be a big improvement. But Face-AF is in a total different league compared to the Q2. I compared it side by side, it was not even a challenge. And especially for the kind of photography I often use my Q2, a well (better) functioning face-AF is a major step forward. As said in other thread, I also strongly prefer the new bottom layout on the right side of the camera. For the way I use cameras, that is the more ergonomically approach. The design of the Q2 is a bit sleeker, but I think the Q3 is still a very beautiful camera. Yes, I didn't like the door too much and would prefer a proper hinged/slide door. However, it fits the purpose and like so often, there is no lunch for free. This is nothing I would have thought about to complain. The threaded shutter button without cable release function is something I agree to a certain point. It is too pretentious and a bit a miss. On the other hand, many people love to use soft-release buttons (I certainly do) but never use cable releases. I would even believe that the majority is never using a cable release. Even with the M10, I always used the App, as I am more flexible with it. So I am glad to be able to use soft release buttons again, but I would not haven even recognized that the functionality of the thread is not what you would expect. My main point only would be that Leica should communicate such a limitation much clearer (or at all), to avoid misunderstanding or even people buying something upfront in anticipation what once they have received the Q3 (after waiting a long time ) does not work and ends in bad customer experience. The two fn-buttons: It's left and right . How much more distinction do you need? They are bit different in how they peak out, but even this is for me not necessary. There are two buttons in line - left and right. How complicated can it be to find the correct button? I understand some of the critiques, absolutely. Many are a matter of taste, some are a matter of firmware, others a matter of preference. And I really do not want / need to defend the Q3. I sometimes just wonder about what people can complain about or what some do wish for. Personally, I am more on a pragmatic or even agnostic path. If I like the general concept etc. I will get used to the rest. The one thing I would complain, is that they have not implemented an internal memory. That is something I would have loved to see (but others might not care about ) -but will easily be able to live without. Overall, for me and my purposes the Q3 is again a brilliant camera and I am looking forward to get one. Cheers Edited June 11 by Daniel C.1975 Corius, wlaidlaw, LocalHero1953 and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel C.1975 Posted June 11 Share #16 Posted June 11 Oh, I hate auto correction … bottom = button. Only one example in my above text… 😕 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 11 Share #17 Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Daniel C.1975 said: Oh, I hate auto correction … bottom = button. Only one example in my above text… 😕 You should see what it does when configured for four languages Daniel C.1975, coup de foudre, Daneland and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nariza7 Posted June 12 Share #18 Posted June 12 On 6/9/2023 at 2:53 PM, geesbert said: As most people feel bad because they will either never get a Q3 or will have to wait months to get one I'd like to collect all possible complaints about the Q3 to make them feel better: - Viewfinder blackout is considerable longer than with the Q2 - when the camera focuses the viewfinder resolution drops which looks a bit like 1990 VHS - AF doesn't really feel that much better (hopefully yet) - The design suffered from adding a tiltscreen, which is a bit hard to open - a threaded shutter button with no cable release functionality is idiotic - the door for the ports is ugly and looks like it might cave in after a couple of hundred openings - the bigger battery doesn't seem to last longer then the old one on the q2 - the two f buttons feel very alike, though one of them is slightly raised, it's easy to confuse them .... what have you found to bicker? Other than that, the Q3 is a camera as fantastic and as great as the Q2 and the Q1 before that, I shot hundreds of thousand pictures professionally and privately with those cameras, my Q2 shows its age but still works flawlessly, still I m happy to have had the chance to upgrade to a Q3. So don't be too sad if you can't upgrade right now. Ty for writing up your experience. I appreciate the candidness in the midst of waiting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 14 Share #19 Posted June 14 Not a complaint about the Q3 but about the dilatory Adobe, from whom I rent at considerable cost, the photographer package. The latest version of Camera RAW has been released this morning (V. 15.4) and still no profile for the Q3. Phase One, a far smaller company, has had a Q3 profile for close to a month now and has updated it today with now a Pro Standard and Generic to choose from (the names of the profiles were there before today but they appeared to be the same, whereas now subtlety different). Wilson Nick_London 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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