BernardC Posted August 15, 2023 Share #41 Posted August 15, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica US had strange pricing for the old battery. I live in Canada, and it would have cost me twice as much to get my spares from the US, compared to Europe. Good to know that the new battery is priced more reasonably. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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laowai_ Posted August 16, 2023 Share #42 Posted August 16, 2023 On 7/17/2023 at 11:49 AM, Chuck Albertson said: Why do you think they lopped $100 off the price? The price of Lithium-Ion battery cells has been dropping substantially over the last few years. https://www.statista.com/chart/23807/lithium-ion-battery-prices/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted August 16, 2023 Share #43 Posted August 16, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 2:21 PM, Sandokan said: When you say more than the SCL4, what is the price of that? Here the SCL6 is similar in price to in B&H but the 4 is much cheaper (<100) than the US and so the 6 is Chf13 more expensive. Hi Ravi. I had the AUD prices in my post. The difference here is about 10%. Or did you mean how much longer before I change to another battery? It depends how you use the camera of course. I might typically shoot 1000 exposures over 4 hours in a studio space which is different to others I am sure. I use the LCD not the EVF, AFS, no preview display after each shot, quick preview looks through each set etc. I have seen more than 700 actuations before battery charge is indicated to be low. perhaps 20% or more, better than with the older battery. My older ones are several years old in use. Not scientific I know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted August 16, 2023 Share #44 Posted August 16, 2023 13 hours ago, hoppyman said: Hi Ravi. I had the AUD prices in my post. The difference here is about 10%. Or did you mean how much longer before I change to another battery? It depends how you use the camera of course. I might typically shoot 1000 exposures over 4 hours in a studio space which is different to others I am sure. I use the LCD not the EVF, AFS, no preview display after each shot, quick preview looks through each set etc. I have seen more than 700 actuations before battery charge is indicated to be low. perhaps 20% or more, better than with the older battery. My older ones are several years old in use. Not scientific I know. hi Geoff, The reason for my question was that the B&H prices are SCL4=$285 but SCL6=$170 but here I have prices of SCL4=CHF166 but SCL6=CHF179; making the SCL6 comparable in price in US and Switzerland, but the US SCL4 is overpriced by $100. When I bought my SCL4 batteries a few years ago, they were in the region of CHF260 I was just wondering if you had the same discrepancy in prices as the US has. Thx Ravi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share #45 Posted August 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Sandokan said: hi Geoff, The reason for my question was that the B&H prices are SCL4=$285 but SCL6=$170 but here I have prices of SCL4=CHF166 but SCL6=CHF179; making the SCL6 comparable in price in US and Switzerland, but the US SCL4 is overpriced by $100. When I bought my SCL4 batteries a few years ago, they were in the region of CHF260 I was just wondering if you had the same discrepancy in prices as the US has. Thx Ravi The US has prices that reflect the sanctions Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted August 17, 2023 Share #46 Posted August 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Photoworks said: The US has prices that reflect the sanctions which is what I do not understand - how comes the SCL6 does not have punitive tariffs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted August 17, 2023 Share #47 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, Sandokan said: which is what I do not understand - how comes the SCL6 does not have punitive tariffs? Perhaps are SCL6 battery parts made from different manufacturer or assembled in other country all together and that way these tariffs does not apply. Or perhaps they come to the US over some other country. Just like the EU get their Crude Oil from the Russia. India buy it over the price cap, refine it to Petrol and than sell it to the EU who imposed sanctions and the price cap on the Crude Oil and Gas from Russia... Because then it is not from Russia... Sanctions work, you know... The EU made 12 packages of them... Probably the US changed something on on what they are apply the punitive tariffs because lithium-ion batterie shipping problems from china or somewhere else where they are produced. The world is in chaos and perhaps that way is is easier to get stuff into the country. Just my theory... I am not an expert in these things... But I like the cheaper batteries for my SL2-S and that is only what I know for sure... Nikola Edited August 17, 2023 by LEGEND 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted August 17, 2023 Share #48 Posted August 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Photoworks said: The US has prices that reflect the sanctions What sanctions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted August 17, 2023 Share #49 Posted August 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chuck Albertson said: What sanctions? No sanctions. Someone made that up, trying to explain why Leica's US importer sold batteries at an outrageous markup. And then someone went on another rant about oil, which was doubly off-topic (given that "sanctions" were made-up in the first place). My guess is that Leica US decided on the markup because they thought they could make a buck from it. It doesn't affect the headline camera price, but it's something you need to buy with the camera. It can also be difficult to ship lithium batteries from overseas, so they figured they had a protected market. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share #50 Posted August 17, 2023 Leica spread the cost of tariffs true out the products in the US instead of putting it all to optics. At the same time, Leica Portugal was producing more affordable lenses for the US that were excluded from it. Thank you trump! what he never understood was that it is not an import tax, but an added price to American consumers. Quote Trump’s new 25% US tax on European products made in Germany includes also cameras and lenses: “Products of Germany described below are subject to additional import duties of 25 percent ad valorem: Objective lenses and parts & access. thereof, for cameras, projectors, or photographic enlargers or reducers, except projection, nesoi” (see bottom of page 2 of attached PDF file) The effective date for the new tariffs is October 18, 2019. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted August 17, 2023 Share #51 Posted August 17, 2023 I looked through my old email invoices. The price difference predates the 2016 US elections. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted August 17, 2023 Share #52 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chuck Albertson said: What sanctions? those from 2019 by Trump on Europe which were punitive tarrifs as opposed to a ban. 2 hours ago, BernardC said: No sanctions. Someone made that up, trying to explain why Leica's US importer sold batteries at an outrageous markup. And then someone went on another rant about oil, which was doubly off-topic (given that "sanctions" were made-up in the first place). My guess is that Leica US decided on the markup because they thought they could make a buck from it. It doesn't affect the headline camera price, but it's something you need to buy with the camera. It can also be difficult to ship lithium batteries from overseas, so they figured they had a protected market. Nice guess but incorrect. Sanctions were introduced and were applied to German made optics and (edited NOT cameras) but not to those produced in other countries. So Leica Portugal products did not have a tarrif. Dont know why battery is so expensive though except they went up in price globally for the SCL4. https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impact-of-us-sanctions-on-european-goods-a-closer-look/ Discussed back in 2019 Edited August 17, 2023 by Sandokan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted August 17, 2023 Share #53 Posted August 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, Sandokan said: Sanctions were introduced and were applied to German made optics and (edited NOT cameras) but not to those produced in other countries. Exactly, it has nothing to do with batteries produced in China. Those trade measures were introduced in 2019. Leica batteries were already significantly more expensive in the US, and had been for years. The good news is that the US importer has decided to price the new batteries more reasonably. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted August 17, 2023 Share #54 Posted August 17, 2023 3 hours ago, BernardC said: My guess is that Leica US decided on the markup because they thought they could make a buck from it. It doesn't affect the headline camera price, but it's something you need to buy with the camera. It can also be difficult to ship lithium batteries from overseas, so they figured they had a protected market. I never got an explanation from Leica for the US/rest of the world price disparity. Wound up buying most of my spare SL batts on trips to the UK/EU, when I could find a store that had them in stock. They're somewhat safe in a carry-on bag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted August 17, 2023 Share #55 Posted August 17, 2023 Back to the new batteries in practical usage: I’ve brought a pair of them to Iceland with me this week, and they definitely have more juice than the previous version. I’m obviously not shooting a wedding, but I’m finding one battery can pretty much last me an entire day of casual shooting, and the previous version most certainly could not. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZN Posted August 18, 2023 Share #56 Posted August 18, 2023 In Australia, the new BP-SCL6 battery lists for $AUD 330 https://leica-store.com.au/products/19531?utm_campaign=buy-now_leica-camera-com&utm_source=leica-camera-com&utm_medium=hero%3Abutton_19531 On 13 July 2018 I bought a spare BP-SCL4 battery from the Sydney Leica store in the QVB for $AUD 215 Five years and 53% price increase. Ouch. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted August 31, 2023 Share #57 Posted August 31, 2023 FW5.2 for SL2 & SL2-S: Good news regarding the new battery. Havn't updated the FW yet, but will do... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/377430-so-we-have-a-new-battery/?do=findComment&comment=4847223'>More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted August 31, 2023 Share #58 Posted August 31, 2023 I'm using several BP-SCL4 and one BP-SCL6 - at the moment I can't see any difference (with the "old" FW 5.1 without support for the new battery). Only the old batteries (from 2015) are really "old" now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share #59 Posted August 31, 2023 I found that the new battery lasts much longer in photo mode. In the last few shoots I did 2000 images in a 3-hour shoot and the battery was at 20% at the end. I will slowly replace my other 12 batteries with the new one. The fact that it just came out for the Q3, it gives me confidence that this battery may be around for the SL3. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodbokeh Posted August 31, 2023 Share #60 Posted August 31, 2023 Well, the Firmware Update 5.2 introduced today for the SL2 does indeed have support for the new BP-SCL6 battery. I installed the new firmware this AM. The Silver SL2 is running great. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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