Just a quick comparison with Z9

[modernvintagephotos]

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Nikon Z9 B&W Conversion at 24mm compared to M11M 21 SEM (one third stop slower) at ISO 6400

Clearly the M11M is collecting more light. And the noise looks at least 2 stops better.

I am so very pleased with the new camera.

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[jaapv]

Welcome to the forum. Nothing against comparisons but the exposure on both images should be equal. Congratulations on your new camera. Good choice. 

[sometimesmaybe]

23 hours ago, modernvintagephotos said:

Nikon Z9 B&W Conversion at 24mm compared to M11M 21 SEM (one third stop slower) at ISO 6400

Clearly the M11M is collecting more light. And the noise looks at least 2 stops better.

would be interesting to run the z9 image through LR's or DxO's AI noise reduction algorithm. i wonder if the M11M can keep the lead 🤓  

[Chaemono]

Am 28.4.2023 um 15:10 schrieb modernvintagephotos:

New to the forum. Apologies in advance if comparisons like this are in poor taste here.

Nikon Z9 B&W Conversion at 24mm compared to M11M 21 SEM (one third stop slower) at ISO 6400

Clearly the M11M is collecting more light. And the noise looks at least 2 stops better.

I am so very pleased with the new camera.

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Both cameras need to be shot with the same lens at the same aperture in order to asses which camera is collecting more light or has less noise.

[modernvintagephotos]

On 4/28/2023 at 8:23 PM, jaapv said:

Welcome to the forum. Nothing against comparisons but the exposure on both images should be equal. Congratulations on your new camera. Good choice. 

Thank you sir. The 1/3 of a stop difference favors the Z9. So while I agree, it would only make the difference even larger.

Someone below recommended I shoot them both with the same lens, which I can do. I'll post the results here.

[Bikie John]

On 4/29/2023 at 2:59 PM, Chaemono said:

Both cameras need to be shot with the same lens at the same aperture in order to asses which camera is collecting more light or has less noise.

That is one approach, and can yield useful results. The other, which I think is equally useful, is to try using the cameras the way you normally would. That way you will see whether the differences that a carefully controlled test might reveal actually matter in practice.

John

[modernvintagephotos]

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6 minutes ago, Bikie John said:

That is one approach, and can yield useful results. The other, which I think is equally useful, is to try using the cameras the way you normally would. That way you will see whether the differences that a carefully controlled test might reveal actually matter in practice.

John

That was the original idea, shooting handheld in low light.

[Chaemono]

There’s an adapter for M-mount lenses for the Nikon Z cameras. 

[ramarren]

On 4/29/2023 at 5:26 AM, sometimesmaybe said:

would be interesting to run the z9 image through LR's or DxO's AI noise reduction algorithm. i wonder if the M11M can keep the lead 🤓  

IMO, using advanced noise reduction image processing technology obliterates any notion of what the actual cameras' performance is or isn't. 

For example, this is a detail example of how such processing can change an iPhone 11 Pro image taken at ISO 250: 

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After - Before :: AI Denoise using LR Classic, iPhone 11 PRO, Moment camera for DNG output

I mean, if I can get results like that out of an iPhone, what does it say about applying that level of technology to an M10-M or Z9 image? Nothing about the camera!!

G

 

[mmradman]

9 hours ago, modernvintagephotos said:

Thank you sir. The 1/3 of a stop difference favors the Z9. So while I agree, it would only make the difference even larger.

Someone below recommended I shoot them both with the same lens, which I can do. I'll post the results here.

Try comparing AF and IBIS between two cameras, of course that is silly of me to say as they are completely different system cameras.  
As illustrated in above post with noise reduction software noisy files are getting new lease of life, I found it to provide marvellous results.

For those not familiar with Z9 it is first still camera  (also video capable) with fast readout electronic shutter only and no latency/ blackout EVF, perhaps comparison would be relevant in that department.  This kind of technology should be finding its way into future M cameras.