Franklin Saint Posted March 18, 2023 Share #21 Posted March 18, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) This thread prompted me to dust off my M240 and take it on a photo walk. Two hours later, it was back in its rather handsome coffin. The M240's image quality is superb, but it feels positively sluggish in 2023. The LV implementation is slow, the EVF feels dated, and there are also high iso banding issues I never noticed before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cboy Posted March 18, 2023 Share #22 Posted March 18, 2023 I'd like to know if PIXII will make a FF version... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 18, 2023 Share #23 Posted March 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Franklin Saint said: This thread prompted me to dust off my M240 and take it on a photo walk. Two hours later, it was back in its rather handsome coffin. The M240's image quality is superb, but it feels positively sluggish in 2023. The LV implementation is slow, the EVF feels dated, and there are also high iso banding issues I never noticed before. I don't have LV activated. For me it's a digital M 'film' camera. I shot a few rolls of medium format film last summer with a Bronica SQ and it was a lot slower process than my M240. Back in the film days I rarely shot anything above 1600 ISO, usually I shot between 400 and 800. If I needed a fast modern camera I'd probably buy one of the Sony A7 versions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 18, 2023 Share #24 Posted March 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Franklin Saint said: This thread prompted me to dust off my M240 and take it on a photo walk. Two hours later, it was back in its rather handsome coffin. The M240's image quality is superb, but it feels positively sluggish in 2023. The LV implementation is slow, the EVF feels dated, and there are also high iso banding issues I never noticed before. LV and EVF have little to do with a rangefinder camera. If you use. the camera in its primary function (and why. buy a camera for anything else?) it is quite responsive. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin Saint Posted March 18, 2023 Share #25 Posted March 18, 2023 13 hours ago, jaapv said: LV and EVF have little to do with a rangefinder camera. If you use. the camera in its primary function (and why. buy a camera for anything else?) it is quite responsive. I can't disagree, but both features were (somewhat sloppily) tacked on to the M240 and merit some discussion/evaluation against current similar offerings. If we're going to hide behind the fig leaf of rangefinder purism, then it would make more sense to use a Leica where those features aren't present at all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 18, 2023 Share #26 Posted March 18, 2023 You are judging a camera. that is over ten years old.Apples and oranges come to mind. Nothing to do with purism - they were useful accessories at the time..If you want to compare. present-day technology. use an M11. Having said. that, EVFs and LV willalways be a. secondary consideration on a ranf=gefinder camera. Ifyou. want state-of the art. for those aspects, buy a Sony - but it makes a lousy rangefinder. camera. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 18, 2023 Share #27 Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 20 minutes ago, Franklin Saint said: I can't disagree, but both features were (somewhat sloppily) tacked on to the M240 and merit some discussion/evaluation against current similar offerings. If we're going to hide behind the fig leaf of rangefinder purism, then it would make more sense to use a Leica where those features aren't present at all. Maybe you weren’t around when the M240 was launched. LV was a new feature designed as part of the camera from the start, within the limits of the technology at the time and the inherited rangefinder format for focusing and metering. For the first time it allowed the use of non-standard lenses (eg long, wide, macro, R mount), and it allowed the user to check the rangefinder calibration directly. That was all revolutionary - for a M. Of course one can criticise it ten years on with the benefit of hindsight, but that misses the point. Edit: I traded my M9 for a M240 soon after launch, and bought the EVF (or rather the Olympus equivalent). I valued LV and the EVF for the reasons I gave above. Remember also that there was no other full frame mirrorless around: it predates the next, the Sony A7, by a year, and the Sony was designed from scratch, with no legacy systems to work around. I sold my M240 when better tech came along that suited me. I hold no torch for it (and have nothing against the Pixii): it is now old and out of date, but did a good job at the time. Edited March 18, 2023 by LocalHero1953 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin Saint Posted March 19, 2023 Share #28 Posted March 19, 2023 2 hours ago, jaapv said: You are judging a camera. that is over ten years old.Apples and oranges come to mind. Nothing to do with purism - they were useful accessories at the time..If you want to compare. present-day technology. use an M11. Having said. that, EVFs and LV willalways be a. secondary consideration on a ranf=gefinder camera. Ifyou. want state-of the art. for those aspects, buy a Sony - but it makes a lousy rangefinder. camera. Indeed - earlier in the discussion we were - for some reason - comparing the M240 with the 2023 edition of the Pixii. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 19, 2023 Share #29 Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Franklin Saint said: Indeed - earlier in the discussion we were - for some reason - comparing the M240 with the 2023 edition of the Pixii. Because people claim they are the same price. I learned photography on an M6. I have always enjoyed the rangefinder experience. I have the M240 because it is the cheapest 'newer' digital M I can afford. I probably would have preferred an M262 as I don't use video either, but a bargain priced M240 came up so I grabbed it. The M10 is quite a bit more expensive. I never use LV or the EVF. I am NOT a rangefinder purist, it's just a way I like to shoot. My other camera is a Sigma FP and recently I've owned a Leica Q and SL. If you bought a camera MAINLY because it is a full frame digital and also a Rangefinder, I don't think you can be accused of being 'a purist'. Edited March 19, 2023 by Chris W Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 20, 2023 Share #30 Posted March 20, 2023 On 3/19/2023 at 8:25 AM, Chris W said: Because people claim they are the same price. Well, they are... on the M forum somebody has just purchased a M240 for 3200$ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 20, 2023 Share #31 Posted March 20, 2023 And how much would a used ten year old Pixii be? As that is the proper comparison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 21, 2023 Share #32 Posted March 21, 2023 9 hours ago, jaapv said: And how much would a used ten year old Pixii be? As that is the proper comparison. That's a good question, but does it really apply? You can upgrade the sensor and the processor in the Pixii and turn it into a current model, so, unless they come up with a dramatic body revision (totally possible in the near future, who knows), you can always have an up to date camera. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 21, 2023 Share #33 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Simone_DF said: Well, they are... on the M forum somebody has just purchased a M240 for 3200$ I already broke it down for you (in the UK) on the previous page. The cheapest 32gb Pixii is around £400 more, without the added cost of a wider lens if you want to shoot 35mm equivalent. The M240 is between £1800 and £2500 depending on condition. Average between £2000-2200. Edited March 21, 2023 by Chris W Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 21, 2023 Share #34 Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chris W said: I already broke it down for you (in the UK) on the previous page. Pixii is around £400 more, without the added need for a wider lens if you want to shoot 35mm equivalent. The M240 is between £1800 and £2500 depending on condition. Average between £2000-2200. You should tell this guy that he was ripped off then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 21, 2023 Share #35 Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: you can always have an up to date camera. Until the company stop trading. This exactly happened to me with the Epson RD-1s. I'm not doom mongering, but you write as if this small French outfit are going to be around forever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 21, 2023 Share #36 Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Simone_DF said: You should tell this guy that he was ripped off then Maybe he was. It's not my place to tell him anything. I bought my M240 for £1800 three years ago. I see them on Ebay UK all the time for around £2000-2200 - which is around 2,500 euros or $2700 US 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 21, 2023 Share #37 Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Chris W said: Until the company stop trading. This exactly happened to me with the Epson RD-1s. I'm not doom mongering, but you write as if this small French outfit are going to be around forever. True, but sometimes you have to take a chance. Competition between brands means better products for customers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 21, 2023 Share #38 Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: You should tell this guy that he was ripped off then Looking at eBay this is at the lower end for M240 P. Asking prices. Most are at 3800. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 21, 2023 Share #39 Posted March 21, 2023 Used M240 in the UK https://theclassiccamera.com/product/leica-m240-black-body-boxed/ https://www.cameraworld.co.uk/used-leica-m-typ-240-digital-rangefinder-camera-b001019147.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted March 21, 2023 Share #40 Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: True, but sometimes you have to take a chance. Sure, I'd take a chance on Pixii if it was full frame. That's a different conversation to how long will it be supported. The answer to that is no one knows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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