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Hmmm....one of the things that has perplexed me with all the scratch reports on this site was (is) the total lack of such reports by internet reviewers.  I couldn't understand this because I ASSumed that the internet reviewers were actually competent.  But the review in question clearly demonstrates that many (most/all?) reviewers who are universally praising the camera are only really reviewing the look and the "feel" of the camera, not seriously looking at the images.  

I'm (reasonably) confident that Leica will sort out this problem at some point in the (hopefully) near future and subsequent M6 camera production will be at the quality level Leica claims  I hope so.  Even though my 1984 M6 works perfectly, it would be fun to get a new one!

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9 hours ago, Mikep996 said:

 

Interestingly, In looking at all the pics in the article, I see scratches in some, not in others...puzzling.🤔

You may also ask why you aren't seeing any dust in most of the photographs, and the answer is the 'clone tool', and it could just as easily have been used on scratches. In fact the only time I see dust is in the photos with scratches. Digital scanning of film is merciless in highlighting slight imperfections and I imagine they've been gone over. 

Surely Jono has read the forum about the problems with scratching, and surely he has looked closely at the photos he made? So it is curious to post an image with bad scratches and then say nothing about it. So he's neither avoiding the issue or confronting it.

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8 minutes ago, 250swb said:

You may also ask why you aren't seeing any dust in most of the photographs, and the answer is the 'clone tool', and it could just as easily have been used on scratches. In fact the only time I see dust is in the photos with scratches. Digital scanning of film is merciless in highlighting slight imperfections and I imagine they've been gone over. 

Surely Jono has read the forum about the problems with scratching, and surely he has looked closely at the photos he made? So it is curious to post an image with bad scratches and then say nothing about it. So he's neither avoiding the issue or confronting it.

As he is a member of this forum perhaps we should wait for his comments?

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2 minutes ago, Matlock said:

As he is a member of this forum perhaps we should wait for his comments?

We can only hope, he is after all a brand ambassador. We may discover the negatives fell on the kitchen floor, mistakes happen especially if he's developing film again after a few years off.

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9 hours ago, Huss said:

Is the insight going to be on how Leica will make one that doesn't scratch film?

I found Jono's comments 'The new Leica M6 has the latest version of the 0.72 rangefinder: As far as I can see, this is identical to the rangefinder in the M11 (rather than the MP), with slightly rounded ends to the frame line ‘sticks’ and also to the rangefinder patch itself. This contrasts with the MP (and the M10), which have squared-off edges to both the ‘sticks’ and the patch.' interesting in as much as I assume that at some point the new M6, MP and M-A will all share the same parts. I also expect that the M-A black chrome will be replaced with the finish of the new M6. Jono also offers hope that metering problems with classic M6 cameras may be able to be fixed at some point.

As for the scratches: I hope that at some point Leica will give notice that the problem is fixed - so I can buy an MP with confidence. At the moment anyone wanting a new film camera has only one choice, Leica. I'm hoping they get some competition.

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11 hours ago, mosh1 said:

Interesting that he notes his 2022 M6 have rounded corners on the rangefinder patch and frame lines, similar to the M11 and different from the MP. On my 2022 M6 manufactured 11/03/2022 I have the square corners on the patch and frame lines and not the rounded ones he noticed.

On my 2022/08/26 MP, it has rounded corners of rangefinder patch while my 2022/01/28 M-A has sharp rangefinder patch 

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15 hours ago, Mikep996 said:

Hmmm....one of the things that has perplexed me with all the scratch reports on this site was (is) the total lack of such reports by internet reviewers.  I couldn't understand this because I ASSumed that the internet reviewers were actually competent.  But the review in question clearly demonstrates that many (most/all?) reviewers who are universally praising the camera are only really reviewing the look and the "feel" of the camera, not seriously looking at the images.  

I'm (reasonably) confident that Leica will sort out this problem at some point in the (hopefully) near future and subsequent M6 camera production will be at the quality level Leica claims  I hope so.  Even though my 1984 M6 works perfectly, it would be fun to get a new one!

From what I remember the reviewers all went to Leica in Germany at the same time, they were given cameras and film, they had a studio set up, and they had their pics developed, scanned and printed for them.  So no-one actually got to handle or see the negatives, and the scanning/printing would have used the scratch removal software.  So they would not have been aware of any issues.

Plus the sure fire way of never being invited back is to be critical of the product.  This applies to any press event for any mfg and product.  Not just Leica.  But I think what happened here is they were genuinely unaware that there could be any issue.  Because why would they?  Companies have been building cameras that don’t scratch film for over 100 years now!  This is not new tech.

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10 hours ago, 250swb said:

We can only hope, he is after all a brand ambassador. We may discover the negatives fell on the kitchen floor, mistakes happen especially if he's developing film again after a few years off.

So there are a few comments about the scratches, he replied directly about it. 

 

Jonathan Slack 25 February 2023 At 18:20

Hi There Andrew
I’m afraid I’m guilty there – I was trying various different methods of scanning and the negatives got scratched.
I’ve just had 3 films back from Exposure film lab, and they’re all fine, so it’s not the camera at fault.
best
Jono

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10 hours ago, 250swb said:

We can only hope, he is after all a brand ambassador. We may discover the negatives fell on the kitchen floor, mistakes happen especially if he's developing film again after a few years off.

No way those beautiful, parallel, evenly spaced scratches could have been made by dropping the film.

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5 minutes ago, Jimmyp82 said:

So there are a few comments about the scratches, he replied directly about it. 

 

Jonathan Slack 25 February 2023 At 18:20

Hi There Andrew
I’m afraid I’m guilty there – I was trying various different methods of scanning and the negatives got scratched.
I’ve just had 3 films back from Exposure film lab, and they’re all fine, so it’s not the camera at fault.
best
Jono

OMG this is just toooooo embarrassing for sooooooo many of those people who posted above.

Mods - can this thread be merged with the other one to keep the hysteria in one place.

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Not buying it for one second.  Just look at those scratches.  What outside of the defective camera could have done that?  And this is after Leica told me they had a defective batch of pressure plates.

When they first sent my camera back from the repair, they had replaced the original defective pressure plate with a new defective one! Which is why they have it again.

But fine, convince yourself with whatever makes you feel better.

 

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6 hours ago, Jimmyp82 said:

So there are a few comments about the scratches, he replied directly about it. 

 

Jonathan Slack 25 February 2023 At 18:20

Hi There Andrew
I’m afraid I’m guilty there – I was trying various different methods of scanning and the negatives got scratched.
I’ve just had 3 films back from Exposure film lab, and they’re all fine, so it’s not the camera at fault.
best
Jono

Strangely all but one method of scanning resulted in long parallel scratches.  Unfortunately I cannot remember which scanning methods did the scratching, but I will make sure not to use those methods again. 

I repeat the new Leica M6, which I fondly refer to as Scratchy, is not at fault here.

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