Sandokan Posted February 19, 2023 Share #1 Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) The most ridiculous questions I have been asked. Designed by a fresh graduate? If the response is limited to camera starting at $7200 which is not of good quality, at which price point does the manufacturer think they should start building a quality product? Edited February 19, 2023 by Sandokan 9 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TomB_tx Posted February 19, 2023 Share #2 Posted February 19, 2023 Agreed. I started it, but bailed out when I couldn't enter numbers more reasonable to me. Clearly wasn't designed for my economic status, even though I've used Leicas for 55 years. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted February 19, 2023 Share #3 Posted February 19, 2023 Take-home message for me is that I am not the target audience any more and I should be looking at other brands 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjans Posted February 20, 2023 Share #4 Posted February 20, 2023 12 hours ago, Sandokan said: The most ridiculous questions I have been asked. Designed by a fresh graduate? If the response is limited to camera starting at $7200 which is not of good quality, at which price point does the manufacturer think they should start building a quality product? I have the same reservations/remarks. Tried the 3 languages of the survey and gave up. In the German part of the forum is already a 6 page thread https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/367057-kommentar-zur-umfrage-preisgestaltung-leica/#comments Best Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R Posted February 20, 2023 Share #5 Posted February 20, 2023 I saw this as less of a survey and more of a notification of upcoming product releases and their likely retail prices. If that is true, then one must ask what was the purpose? Does the butcher ask the pig its opinion before making the bacon? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted February 20, 2023 Share #6 Posted February 20, 2023 Thanks for your feedback – in this thread and via a lot of private messages. I've forwarded your feedback to the opinion research institute. They decided to take the survey offline and to edit some issues before starting again. Andreas 10 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 20, 2023 Share #7 Posted February 20, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) That makes a lot of sense, IMHO. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 20, 2023 Share #8 Posted February 20, 2023 Thanks, Andreas - that's good to hear. The results would have been meaningless to Leica. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 20, 2023 Share #9 Posted February 20, 2023 I too started in good faith and then abandoned it. The structure more or less led to a pre-determined outcome of price ranges that did not fit with what I wanted to say. it was insulting to our intelligence as a serious community. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 20, 2023 Share #10 Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, LocalHero1953 said: The results would have been meaningless to Leica. The questions were meaningless to me 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 20, 2023 Share #11 Posted February 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, Tom R said: I saw this as less of a survey and more of a notification of upcoming product releases and their likely retail prices. If that is true, then one must ask what was the purpose? Does the butcher ask the pig its opinion before making the bacon? Ha. All at or above the top price limit for each camera. The survey also demanded a reply for a price sensitive purchase where I wanted to say I wasn’t interested in the camera regardless of price. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 20, 2023 Share #12 Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Sandokan said: The most ridiculous questions I have been asked. Designed by a fresh graduate? If the response is limited to camera starting at $7200 which is not of good quality, at which price point does the manufacturer think they should start building a quality product? so the M11Mono with the freeze feature is $7200..? Edited February 20, 2023 by frame-it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted February 20, 2023 Share #13 Posted February 20, 2023 It is correct prices im questionnaire. Boutique company. With SL2-S as exception to be somewhat priced within another top FF mirrorless. And with help.on lenses from Sigma. So, thanks for reminder. L stands for Luxury 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 20, 2023 Share #14 Posted February 20, 2023 I thought the survey was just a way to discover the pain threshold felt by Leica owners when they contemplate buying a new piece of equipment. The results will be fed into a computer and a ticker tape will spew out telling Leica they still have some unused tolerance left in their pricing structure so it's OK to go ahead with a price increase in April. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted February 20, 2023 Share #15 Posted February 20, 2023 I started the survey, but then backed-out, when it became non-applicable to me. To be truly truly accurate, without “spin,” a survey really needs to provide more choices, such “none of the above” or “not applicable.” In this survey, it might have have been nice to be able to indicated that I would choose a different Leica camera. In my case, I simply cannot justify buying a Q-series camera, at any realistic price point. I rarely use the 28mm lenses that I have, so, am simply not going to buy a camera that only offers a permanently-attached 28mm lens. Cropping to 35mm or 50mm is not something I would want to do, and a Q cannot “zoom-out” to 21mm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted February 20, 2023 I look forward to the updated survey where I can enter my own numbers for "price too low for quality" and other questions Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 21, 2023 Share #17 Posted February 21, 2023 I have completed the revised survey. It still seems daft, and I seriously hope Leica will not base any future product and marketing decisions on the results. I own more than one camera, and I paid different amounts for them I already own some of the products, so the question of what I might pay for them doesn't arise. I have no interest in buying some of the products, so price would make no difference to my buying decisions, however cheap. Neither brand nor price are my first considerations when buying a camera or lens. Functionality and performance count for more. This reads like a school survey project by the child of a friend of Herr Kaufmann. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted February 21, 2023 Share #18 Posted February 21, 2023 I completed the survey. I can’t see how it could possibly be very useful to Leica but someone, somewhere with an extremely boring job must think it will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfs head Posted February 21, 2023 Share #19 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) On 2/19/2023 at 10:35 PM, Sandokan said: The most ridiculous questions I have been asked. Designed by a fresh graduate? If any of my students had designed such a dreadful survey instrument, (s)he would never have reached graduate status! Clearly produced by someone with no understanding of the principles of questionnaire design and with a predetermined outcome in mind it is most certainly not fit for purpose. Others have listed many of its most glaring shortcomings, but there are many more. Edited February 21, 2023 by Wolfs head Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted February 21, 2023 Share #20 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: I have completed the revised survey. It still seems daft, and I seriously hope Leica will not base any future product and marketing decisions on the results. I own more than one camera, and I paid different amounts for them I already own some of the products, so the question of what I might pay for them doesn't arise. I have no interest in buying some of the products, so price would make no difference to my buying decisions, however cheap. Neither brand nor price are my first considerations when buying a camera or lens. Functionality and performance count for more. This reads like a school survey project by the child of a friend of Herr Kaufmann. Paul, you are more or less repeating what I said last week, except that I pitched the 'child' at post grad level🎓. Is there a revised survey and should I do a 'once more into the breach'? Wilson has a saying about not getting 'time back', which may apply here. William 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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