Ecar Posted March 5, 2023 Share #21 Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 minutes ago, pgk said: What do the originals cover? I am hoping a FF 35 might just be possible😉. Ser. II covers FF at 50mm and above. At least when converted to the M mount. Ser. I barely covers FF at 50mm (slightly dark corners wide open at infinity, but otherwise usable). 75mm and above is fine. 35mm and 40mm should be OK on APS-C. However, since LLL are re-interpreting the original Cooke design, I guess nothing prevents them from "extending" it a bit so as to offer a 35mm that covers FF. That would be nice. Edited March 5, 2023 by Ecar 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 Hi Ecar, Take a look here Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 "Speed Panchro II" for Leica M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pgk Posted March 5, 2023 Share #22 Posted March 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ecar said: ..... LLL are re-interpreting the original Cooke design ..... I actually own an early TTH Cooke lens, serial number 2276 from ~1895 but, of course, not a Speed Panchro. Its been well used! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 5, 2023 Share #23 Posted March 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, pgk said: I actually own an early TTH Cooke lens, serial number 2276 from ~1895 but, of course, not a Speed Panchro. Its been well used! Which body do you mount it on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 5, 2023 Share #24 Posted March 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ecar said: Which body do you mount it on? Gandolfi 5" x 4". its not entirely original having had the back section replaced to increase its focal length. multiple small scratches too, but it still works well enough. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted March 8, 2023 Share #25 Posted March 8, 2023 Some years ago (probably around 2005), there was a proposal that a batch of Speed Pancro lenses be built in Leica-compatible form, and the question was asked in the UK's Leica Historical Society magazine as to who would be interested in buying such a lens. Presumably there were not a sufficient number of potential purchasers. The Chinese version might be more affordable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
catacore Posted March 18, 2023 Share #26 Posted March 18, 2023 An interesting read: https://www.macfilos.com/2023/03/10/light-lens-lab-copy-of-the-cooke-speed-panchro-s2-50mm-f2/ Don't miss the comments! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 20, 2023 Author Share #27 Posted March 20, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pre-orders open: Popflash for US buyers for easy exchange/return – https://www.popflash.com/light-lens-lab/light-lens-lab-50mm-f/2-spii-chrome-leica-m-mount-lens-new/ Direct from LLL: https://lightlenslab.myshopify.com/products/light-lens-lab-50mm-f-2-speed-panchro-ii 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMF Posted March 21, 2023 Share #28 Posted March 21, 2023 6 hours ago, hdmesa said: Pre-orders open: Popflash for US buyers for easy exchange/return – https://www.popflash.com/light-lens-lab/light-lens-lab-50mm-f/2-spii-chrome-leica-m-mount-lens-new/ Direct from LLL: https://lightlenslab.myshopify.com/products/light-lens-lab-50mm-f-2-speed-panchro-ii Great news! Thanks for letting us know. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
catacore Posted March 21, 2023 Share #29 Posted March 21, 2023 9 hours ago, hdmesa said: Pre-orders open: Popflash for US buyers for easy exchange/return – https://www.popflash.com/light-lens-lab/light-lens-lab-50mm-f/2-spii-chrome-leica-m-mount-lens-new/ Direct from LLL: https://lightlenslab.myshopify.com/products/light-lens-lab-50mm-f-2-speed-panchro-ii Yes, I'm in 😜 Also, I got an update from LLL that the Elcan has been discontinued. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted March 21, 2023 Share #30 Posted March 21, 2023 only chrome versions in pre order? what a bugger! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted March 21, 2023 Share #31 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) And again no hero that sells these in EU. The last dealer in Vienna bailed out due to... well, he bailed out. Edited March 21, 2023 by Al Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre68 Posted March 21, 2023 Share #32 Posted March 21, 2023 pre order placed 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share #33 Posted March 21, 2023 6 hours ago, jonnyboy said: only chrome versions in pre order? what a bugger! I think they said the black paint version will be released later this year. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted March 21, 2023 Share #34 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) What M/LTM Leica made lens would be the closest in render and image properties to this one in your valued opinion? Edited March 21, 2023 by Al Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted March 21, 2023 Share #35 Posted March 21, 2023 Couldn't get the shopify site to work on my MacBook but managed to place the order on my phone somehow via ApplePay. Looking forward to using it on my chrome M9M 😃 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share #36 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Al Brown said: What M/LTM Leica made lens would be the closest in render and image properties to this one in your valued opinion? I did a comparison of the LLL SPII to the LLL Elcan and posted on FM Forums. It's very close in rendering. The main difference is the Elcan is not sharp at f/2 at the focus point if the focus point is too far away from the center. Honestly, though, all the Leica 50 Summicron versions have a similar charm at f/2. The veiling flare of the SPII, while a known characteristic of the lens, is very strong. I find the 50 Cron v5 flare to be more pleasing as it creates more interesting shapes and does not result in such a dramatic loss of contrast. When I get my copy of the SPII, I'll do a comparison with my 50 Cron v5. Edited March 21, 2023 by hdmesa 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted March 21, 2023 Share #37 Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, hdmesa said: I did a comparison of the LLL SPII to the LLL Elcan and posted on FM Forums. It's very close in rendering. The main difference is the Elcan is not sharp at f/2 at the focus point if the focus point is too far away from the center. Honestly, though, all the Leica 50 Summicron versions have a similar charm at f/2. When I get my copy of the SPII, I'll do a comparison with my 50 Cron v5. I read somewhere that the Summar and Summitar render similarly, although the diagrams of both are different - Summar being a 6 element double Gauss (the SPII is a 7-element). In comparing the LLL Cooke clone optical formula I have found most similarities in faster (f/1.4) 50mm lenses from the sixties and seventies. I have added diagrams of LLL SPII and some other double Gauss similar designs. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/366003-light-lens-lab-50mm-f2-speed-panchro-ii-for-leica-m/?do=findComment&comment=4732469'>More sharing options...
RMF Posted March 21, 2023 Share #38 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Popflash is now showing the pre-order Speed Panchro as out of stock https://www.popflash.com/L502SPCH Edited March 21, 2023 by RMF Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share #39 Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, RMF said: Popflash is now showing the pre-order Speed Panchro as out of stock https://www.popflash.com/L502SPCH Not surprising. They had a long list of interested people to reach out to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted March 21, 2023 Share #40 Posted March 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, RMF said: Popflash is now showing the pre-order Speed Panchro as out of stock https://www.popflash.com/L502SPCH That's why despite being in NYC I placed the order directly with LLL. I think the shopify site was struggling with demand also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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