How often do you use 'reduced' modes and why?

[dpitt]

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I do not own a M11 (yet).
One of the intriguing possibilities of the M11 is to use it in 60MP or 36MP or 18MP mode without cropping. Does any of you use one of the reduced modes? And please explain why and when you choose to use them.
I know that 18MP is plenty to produce a fine image. My M9 gives me plenty of proof for that. Its just that I do not see myself shooting at 18MP when I would have 36MP or 60 MP at my disposal.

If someone is using the cropped modes, I am also interested to know why they prefer this in stead of cropping in post.

[SrMi]

I do not use reduced resolutions. I believe that higher resolutions give me more post-processing possibilities (transformation, noise reduction, cropping), and storage is not an issue for me.

[Jewl]

I mainly use 36MP! I came from an M10P with 24 which were actually enough for most of my cases. So now, 36 is closest to 24 (do not want to go below 24). And I do not want to fill tons of terra bytes as I often do not delete or clean up thoroughly! I have programmed one of the function buttons to easily switch to the 60MP if required!

But as of now, I haven‘t used the 60MP often. 

[geotrupede]

same here

18MP all the time.  much smaller files and prints ok for me.

same as with earlier Ms like the MM and M9.  with MM I had an image printed 6 x 3m for an exhibition and was ok. so 60MP no need for me.

G.

 

Edited January 21 by geotrupede

[Crem]

My default is to use 60MP DNG. I switch to 18MP or 36MP DNG if I am using continuous high speed mode so that I get a very large buffer. I realize action style photography is not what this camera is for, but it's a nice feature to have when you need it. My logic is that storage is cheap and that extra data is useful for things like advanced noise reduction software (DXO PureRAW for me) if I happen to be using a high ISO.

Edited January 21 by Crem

[M11 for me]

vor 17 Stunden schrieb Jewl:

I mainly use 36MP! I came from an M10P with 24 which were actually enough for most of my cases. So now, 36 is closest to 24 (do not want to go below 24). And I do not want to fill tons of terra bytes as I often do not delete or clean up thoroughly! I have programmed one of the function buttons to easily switch to the 60MP if required!

But as of now, I haven‘t used the 60MP often. 

Its maybe worth to mention that when you crop in-camera then the setting jumps to 60MPix full resolution anyway. The result is 39MPix with 1.3x crop resp. 18MPix at 1.8x crop. You can not go below.

Generally I always use the full resolution. Lightroom does not make any noticeable difference (Its probably measureable but not relevant in practice to me. And storage space is no problem either. Since about a week or so I have a new Sandisk Pro external SSD with 4TB which will do for quite a while. I am sure.

[Photoworks]

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I am more of the people of Set it and forget it.

I don't want to be thinking about it, and there is nothing wrong with 60MP.

There was a guy here playing with setting and forgot to switch it back from 18MP, maybe it was JPG only, and went out on a job and only realized later what he had done!

This mistake can happen, so I don't change it. 60MP DNG+JPG

 

I use the zoom function some days with the 90mm, it is quite useful to preview my intended crop, it will apply only on the JPG, the DNG can be reset to full frame.
One more point is if you use Prospective correction, you will be manipulating pixel and creating new one, it is always better to have more details.

[SrMi]

52 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

I am more of the people of Set it and forget it.

I don't want to be thinking about it, and there is nothing wrong with 60MP.

There was a guy here playing with setting and forgot to switch it back from 18MP, maybe it was JPG only, and went out on a job and only realized later what he had done!

This mistake can happen, so I don't change it. 60MP DNG+JPG

 

I use the zoom function some days with the 90mm, it is quite useful to preview my intended crop, it will apply only on the JPG, the DNG can be reset to full frame.
One more point is if you use Prospective correction, you will be manipulating pixel and creating new one, it is always better to have more details.

Perspective correction manipulates only pixels of the JPEGs, not of the DNGs. DNGs only contain angles and a switch to apply it at import or not. DNGs always include the angle values regardless of whether you have turned LPC on or off. Even if you apply LPC in post it is tunable.

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[Photoworks]

27 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Perspective correction manipulates only pixels of the JPEGs, not of the DNGs. DNGs only contain angles and a switch to apply it at import or not. DNGs always include the angle values regardless of whether you have turned LPC on or off. Even if you apply LPC in post it is tunable.

read it again, I didn't talk in camera. in post you apply correction to any prospective and the software does a pixel calculation, it is not magic.
Leica Prospective control in post assumes you are using adobe to edit. Not all of us do that.

[Jeff S]

5 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

read it again, I didn't talk in camera. in post you apply correction to any prospective and the software does a pixel calculation, it is not magic.
Leica Prospective control in post assumes you are using adobe to edit. Not all of us do that.

Every time I read it, it incorrectly appears as prospective, not perspective.  Maybe you could edit “in post.”

Jeff

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, Photoworks said:

read it again, I didn't talk in camera. in post you apply correction to any prospective and the software does a pixel calculation, it is not magic.
Leica Prospective control in post assumes you are using adobe to edit. Not all of us do that.

I see. Any perspective correction in post modifies pixels, whether done manually with guesswork/skills or automatically with data provided by the camera.
Unfortunately, C1 neither supports LPC nor cropping instructions embedded in the DNG files.

[evikne]

I don't have this camera myself, but I can imagine that a common dilemma is that you can't always know with certainty in advance whether you will need the extra pixels. What was supposed to be just a casual snapshot can turn out to be a great photograph worthy of a higher resolution.

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

I see. Any perspective correction in post modifies pixels, whether done manually with guesswork/skills or automatically with data provided by the camera.
Unfortunately, C1 neither supports LPC nor cropping instructions embedded in the DNG files.

in any case people can use what they like and mix and match. I think what Leica does is often over corrected, and crops to much. in the last 10 years architectural photographer pull back in the correction to give it a more natural look. in interiors they are all in the correction.

LPC is nice to have but more a reference for me than a tool.

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, evikne said:

What was supposed to be just a casual snapshot can turn out to be a great photograph worthy of a higher resolution.

you are so right! 

we can from film, that in small and medium format was lower resolution than good digital this days, over time people change the taste of imagery, and having 60mp is a future prof for the next 10 years, not the cameras, but the images you take today. resolution is one factor, color and DR is a component too.

[01af]

Am 21.1.2023 um 19:57 schrieb dpitt:

Does any of you use one of the reduced modes?

One of the nice things is, you can select the resolutions separately for raw and JPEG format. I usually shoot DNG+JPEG, with DNG at full resolution and JPEG at 18 MP (and in monochrome mode).

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[chris7273]

I am a new user of the M11. I wonder if the "reduced" DNG modes might impact the minimum speed : I was used to the 1/F speed rule but it appears that it's no more valid for the large sensors... 

 

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[ianforber]

I always use 60MP because I almost always crop the image, sometimes very significantly. 

[M11 for me]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb chris7273:

I am a new user of the M11. I wonder if the "reduced" DNG modes might impact the minimum speed : I was used to the 1/F speed rule but it appears that it's no more valid for the large sensors... 

 

The reduced DNG sizes do not but the in-camera crops do. The reduced angle of view is translated into an equivalent focal lengt. Stay then with your 1/(1f) but afapt the "f" accordingly.

[Tailwagger]

I paid for all those dancing pixies, so I always take 'em all along when I go to the ball.  Missed opportunity is expensive, additional storage is cheap.

[nilsen]

My lightroom cloud storage is running low so I switched to 36MP 😂