To upgrade or not?

[Olaf_ZG]

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On 12/7/2022 at 9:00 AM, otto.f said:

This one for instance. Which means in my view that the M10M would be perfect for landscape and architecture and rather not for street, documentary or journalistic work.

 

This discussion about the technical aspect is sue to the fact that the M10M was just out. Reading the comment #13 in respective thread would be very useful for documentary/journalism.

To be continued…

[otto.f]

14 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

This discussion about the technical aspect is sue to the fact that the M10M was just out. Reading the comment #13 in respective thread would be very useful for documentary/journalism.

To be continued…

#13 is an argument which makes an M a point and shoot all 36 six good autoISO don’t think camera

[Olaf_ZG]

On 12/9/2022 at 9:48 AM, otto.f said:

#13 is an argument which makes an M a point and shoot all 36 six good autoISO don’t think camera

Which might be useful sometimes. 
 

At my dealer I took some basic shots, so I can compare files my self. Also, I shot the MM a lot in the dark last week and will print to see if the higher iso from the 10 would be an advantage to me.

[otto.f]

26 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

Which might be useful sometimes.

I might prefer a Q2 Monochrom in that case, seems less oversharpened and I would use the 35mm position most often I think, with enough Mp’s to crop. 

26 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

compare files my self

👌🏼

[otto.f]

Generally speaking, I think the quest for sharpness has reached its saturation point I guess. For the moment at least. If you see that Kodak hired 300 employees to be able to respond to the enormous grow in demand for film, where they were practically dead only two years ago, and the film prices seem to  stabilize if not going down a little bit, it is clear that many customers are not interested anymore in clean clinical sharpness. And much more in a broad array of films with special character and color grades. I  really wouldn’t know what can come next in the line where the M10M is in. If it comes to 100Mp I might prefer a medium format anyway.

[Rupert Greenwell]

I have both the M9M and the M10M and use both regularly.  I bought the M9M from new, it was to me a very special camera. I too would hit the buffer a lot of the time but as my photography improved I can't remember when I last did that. As the M9M wakes up from sleep very quickly I can get the first shot off in time and often get it right first time. If I miss the moment I have learnt to stop shooting, recompose and wait for a second opportunity instead of chasing a subject and filling the buffer.

The drawback to me with the M10M is that it takes an age to wake up from sleep. Yes you can keep it on all of the time but you will need a pocket full of batteries. Also as others have mentioned I need to keep a faster shutter speed to prevent a bit of blur compared to my other cameras, film and digital. There is a lot to like about the M10M but for me I have not really bonded with it and I keep thinking about selling it.

I took a landscape shot with my M10M and 50mm F2 Apo , I then used my M10 with a pre Fle 35mm to take a shot of the same scene. Back home in Lightroom both shots were very pleasing. I converted the M10 colour shot to black and white and cropped it from 35mm to 50mm. Comparing the two photos side by side I could not tell the difference despite the advantage that the M10M should have. Only when I cropped 100% could I see in the background  a bit more detail from the M10M, I was staggered by how little difference there was. Had I made a large prints and hung both on the wall you really would not have been able to notice unless you went up close and inspected the back ground.

This exercise has really made me wonder if it is worth me owning both types of camera when the conversions from the M10 are really very good. I also follow on instagram the Turnley brothers who shoot almost exclusively in black and white with a M10.

I am more likely to sell the M10M but keep the M9M.

 

 

[Rupert Greenwell]

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Don't forget the M246 Monochrom , again I still have mine  and have used it more than my M9M and M10M combined.  It has a better buffer than the M9M and a very good battery life. Picture quality is excellent and it is hard to tell it apart from the M9M. I can also use it at slower shutter speeds than the M10M .If you wish to shoot in near darkness then the M10M is better especially if you have a steady hand !

I thought of selling mine but it is so scruffy having been used in all weathers I would get very little for it and like the M9M I have got quite attached to it.  They are a very good second hand buy.

[Olaf_ZG]

5 hours ago, Rupert Greenwell said:

Don't forget the M246 Monochrom , again I still have mine  and have used it more than my M9M and M10M combined.  It has a better buffer than the M9M and a very good battery life. Picture quality is excellent and it is hard to tell it apart from the M9M. I can also use it at slower shutter speeds than the M10M .If you wish to shoot in near darkness then the M10M is better especially if you have a steady hand !

I thought of selling mine but it is so scruffy having been used in all weathers I would get very little for it and like the M9M I have got quite attached to it.  They are a very good second hand buy.

Having the m9m, the m246 wouldn’t be an option. Either the m10m or just stay.

as it such a specialty camera, i need to take time to think. A lot 😇

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[ramarren]

On 12/11/2022 at 1:24 PM, Olaf_ZG said:

Having the m9m, the m246 wouldn’t be an option. Either the m10m or just stay.

as it such a specialty camera, i need to take time to think. A lot 😇

For me, it is not a specialty camera because 99% of the time I prefer B&W anyway, and it makes my rendering efforts easier.  

I've not been out shooting for a couple of weeks, had a bit of 'the other realities of life' to deal with. But I've just loaded up my M4-2 with a fresh roll of Ferrania P30 film and charged up the M10-M batteries. I'm ready to go... 

G

[otto.f]

22 minutes ago, ramarren said:

But I've just loaded up my M4-2 with a fresh roll of Ferrania P30 film and charged up the M10-M batteries. I'm ready to go... 

For me the fresh role of Ferrania P30 in my M7 is now more satisfying than my M9M was at the end of my owning it. I couldn’t have been able to create an image that a Ferrania P30 scan gives me, by postprocessing a M9M file. 

[ramarren]

8 hours ago, otto.f said:

For me the fresh role of Ferrania P30 in my M7 is now more satisfying than my M9M was at the end of my owning it. I couldn’t have been able to create an image that a Ferrania P30 scan gives me, by postprocessing a M9M file. 

 Ferrania P30 film is delightful and remarkable, and it will be different from any digital capture. It's taken me a while to learn how to get what I like from it, and now it sings to me.

The difference to the M10-M is that with the M10-M, I have gotten what I liked from the very first exposure I made with it...  As stated previously, I have no experience using the M9M or M246 so I cannot say whether those two cameras would net the same results or satisfaction for me as the M10-M. 

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[Luke_Miller]

On 12/11/2022 at 4:24 PM, Olaf_ZG said:

Having the m9m, the m246 wouldn’t be an option. Either the m10m or just stay.

I bought the M246 to use while my MM  (aka M9M) was off having its sensor replaced.  My thought was to sell one of then after the MM returned.  Still have both.  The M246 is the superior camera by almost every criteria, but the MM just feels better in my hand. I'll never sell it, but the M246 gets much more use.

[Manolo Laguillo]

I've been photographing with Leica since the 70's (IIIc and M2). In 2010 I bought the M8, later M9, M9Mono, M240, M246... Three years ago I sold everything, went into the GFX system, and while I was/am very satisfied with it, I was missing a Leica badly... I bought therefore a M10M 2 months ago, and was again happy. The quality this camera can offer is unbelievable: no limit in ISO, beautiful tone gradation and microcontrast, detail comparable in some way with the one delivered by the GFX100S. Last but not least is the physical experience of holding it, the size and weight, the form of the M film bodies, the nice shutter's sound, being everything matte black. Yes, do upgrade! 🙂... Nearly forgot mentioning: the money was not enough for the 50mm Summicron M Apo, so I bought the 50mm Apo-Lanthar VM instead: with it I am recovering the sense of the 50mm focal length after decades of being a wide angle photographer because the most used lenses were the 35mm and the 28mm.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Manolo Laguillo

[sometimesmaybe]

22 minutes ago, Manolo Laguillo said:

Three years ago I sold everything, went into the GFX system, and while I was/am very satisfied with it, I was missing a Leica badly... I bought therefore a M10M 2 months ago, and was again happy.

i know the pain of having to simultaneously support 2 very expensive mistresses 😅

[Olaf_ZG]

Thank you all for feedback. In the end, I decided to buy a m10m. 
 

as @otto.f said, driven by gas. Which is true, but then, for personal reasons I decided for it. 
 

now, to sell the m9m or not, that’s the question….

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[otto.f]

13 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

driven by gas

Congrats!
My gas drove me to a Hasselblad 500 C/M with a 50mm, it was too nice to withstand given the good price. I owned one in the 90’s, but I’ve got more specific plans with it now, landscape with the Rollei 400 Infrared. 

13 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

sell the m9m or not

Wait 3 months

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[Olaf_ZG]

6 hours ago, otto.f said:

Wait 3 months

I will, just to ensure I made the right choice. I don’t intend to keep two monochrom’s, one should do..

[Olaf_ZG]

I just processed the images of a first real session I did: a family funeral. A sad case, though as many meet since long time, a special gathering.

I took 300 images, after culling I kept 150 which I processed.

Most of them were taken with 12500iso as I shot at f8.0 to “layer” the image (50mm only). Many were taken in sequence, due to face mimics.

What I managed with the m10m, I couldn’t make it with the original mm. I am sure about this.

 I guess I have to let go of the original…

[sometimesmaybe]

33 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

Many were taken in sequence, due to face mimics.

thats the only way i shoot portraits on the m246. it's not perfect but it's a good workaround 🤓 

[ramarren]

On 12/11/2022 at 3:37 AM, Rupert Greenwell said:

...The drawback to me with the M10M is that it takes an age to wake up from sleep. Yes you can keep it on all of the time but you will need a pocket full of batteries. Also as others have mentioned I need to keep a faster shutter speed to prevent a bit of blur compared to my other cameras, film and digital. There is a lot to like about the M10M but for me I have not really bonded with it and I keep thinking about selling it.... 

?? My M10-M wakes from sleep in 0.7 seconds, every time. If that's "forever" then you and I will end up in different eternities.

I never turn it off when I'm out on a walking shoot, I have it set to go to sleep in 1 minute. Set up this way, the battery lasts and lasts .. I've only had to charge the battery about once every five or ten walking shoot sessions, after about 300-400 exposures. 

To get maximum sharpness, you must keep the camera still. Any camera. The higher the resolution, the easier it is to see camera unsteadiness. This should come as no surprise. 

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