kivis Posted October 31, 2022 Share #1 Posted October 31, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm counting 25 M-A's on eBay right now. That's seem like a lot. Is it? Have M-A's lost their luster? Or whatever. And yet new ones are hard to find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Hi kivis, Take a look here I'm counting 25 M-A's on eBay. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
250swb Posted October 31, 2022 Share #2 Posted October 31, 2022 You must be paying for the premium eBay experience because I can only find eleven, most of which are new and from the usual outlets in Hong Kong. But the regret of not buying a camera with a meter may mean there are more M-A's being dusted off for sale when the new M6 becomes more available 😉 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted October 31, 2022 Ha ha, I kid you not: Today I count 15 not including the Titanium ones. Ebay is crazy either way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted October 31, 2022 Share #4 Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) I think the MA is a good example of those that 'wanna-be' but find that once they have it in hand, they have no idea on what to do 🙂 .... So whether 11 or 27 or in between, most will most likely be new from stores, while the used ones will be from people who find they prefer a light meter and have spent a ton of money to a camera they can't quite get used to yet. Edited October 31, 2022 by lmans 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted October 31, 2022 Share #5 Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, lmans said: I think the MA is a good example of those that 'wanna-be' but find that once they have it in hand, they have no idea on what to do 🙂 .... So whether 11 or 27 or in between, most will most likely be new from stores, while the used ones will be from people who need a light meter and "P' mode... I'm sure there's some method to their madness, but I'm not sure why Leica made the finish of the film cameras a factor in whether one chooses an M-A or MP. If you want black chrome you have to forego a meter. If you want black paint or silver chrome you have to have a meter whether you want one or not. Since the camera bodies are identical why not just offer the same finishes for both? I know, I know, too many variations, too complex, a la carte is dead, etc etc. Then pick two finishes - let's say classic black paint and silver chrome - and make those available on both cameras. It seems like black chrome is becoming verboten anyway. Sign me up for the BP M-A 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted October 31, 2022 Share #6 Posted October 31, 2022 But to show perhaps why they do this........'sign me up ' for the black chrome....much more 'quiet to the eyes' as opposed to the glitter of the black paint of the MP... Now the real question should be not in regards to the MA and MP as the MA has no light meter. THAT is a choice one makes and prefers. But if the M6 had black chrome and the MP stuck with shiny black, well then....I could see an argument for keeping both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 31, 2022 Share #7 Posted October 31, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 46 minutes ago, logan2z said: I'm sure there's some method to their madness, but I'm not sure why Leica made the finish of the film cameras a factor in whether one chooses an M-A or MP. If you want black chrome you have to forego a meter. If you want black paint or silver chrome you have to have a meter whether you want one or not. Since the camera bodies are identical why not just offer the same finishes for both? I know, I know, too many variations, too complex, a la carte is dead, etc etc. Then pick two finishes - let's say classic black paint and silver chrome - and make those available on both cameras. It seems like black chrome is becoming verboten anyway. Sign me up for the BP M-A 😁 I think they did it to differentiate the models a bit more. Of course the MA is just the MP w/o a meter, but if you want black chrome, only on the MA! Different! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 31, 2022 Share #8 Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, lmans said: I think the MA is a good example of those that 'wanna-be' but find that once they have it in hand, they have no idea on what to do 🙂 .... So whether 11 or 27 or in between, most will most likely be new from stores, while the used ones will be from people who find they prefer a light meter and have spent a ton of money to a camera they can't quite get used to yet. I'd agree with that. Many people like the idea of the MA, get one, then realize while they like the idea, they actually would have preferred a meter in it. Especially if they are new to the game. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted October 31, 2022 Share #9 Posted October 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Huss said: I think they did it to differentiate the models a bit more. Of course the MA is just the MP w/o a meter, but if you want black chrome, only on the MA! Different! I know we will never know, but it would be interesting to see the sales for the MA to the MP. Obviously the MP is leading in my thinking but there is no way Leica can ever get rid of the MA now, as it is the direct descendant of the M3, which I feel is the heart and soul of what Leica stands for. But the MP can be discontinued and then you have the MA and the M6 is black chrome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted October 31, 2022 Share #10 Posted October 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, lmans said: I know we will never know, but it would be interesting to see the sales for the MA to the MP. Obviously the MP is leading in my thinking but there is no way Leica can ever get rid of the MA now, as it is the direct descendant of the M3, which I feel is the heart and soul of what Leica stands for. But the MP can be discontinued and then you have the MA and the M6 is black chrome. Black Chrome is no longer an option, the M6 is Black Paint only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted October 31, 2022 Share #11 Posted October 31, 2022 29 minutes ago, Matlock said: Black Chrome is no longer an option, the M6 is Black Paint only. It's not clear if Black Chrome is being phased out or not. There's been some mention of it on this forum (vague talk of environmental issues, etc.) but nothing definitive, and I haven't seen any explanation as to why black chrome is an issue but silver chrome isn't. The black chrome M-A is still current in the lineup so I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens to that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted October 31, 2022 Share #12 Posted October 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, logan2z said: It's not clear if Black Chrome is being phased out or not. There's been some mention of it on this forum (vague talk of environmental issues, etc.) but nothing definitive, and I haven't seen any explanation as to why black chrome is an issue but silver chrome isn't. The black chrome M-A is still current in the lineup so I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens to that. The M11 is Black paint as is the M6. The reason given by Leica is that Black Chrome is no longer available for "new build" cameras due to environment concerns. Note the "new build" comment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 31, 2022 Share #13 Posted October 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, Matlock said: The M11 is Black paint as is the M6. The reason given by Leica is that Black Chrome is no longer available for "new build" cameras due to environment concerns. Note the "new build" comment. The black chrome was a finish 'sealed' into the silver chrome. Chrome plating is very environmentally toxic and now requires many more controls. I wonder then what this means for silver chrome cameras? Perhaps that is the reason why there will not be a silver chrome M6? More conjecture! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted October 31, 2022 Share #14 Posted October 31, 2022 vor 56 Minuten schrieb logan2z: It's not clear if Black Chrome is being phased out or not. It's just a marketing decision. Some camera models are available in black paint but not black chrome (M9, M11), some are available in black chrome but not black paint (M9-P, M10), and some may be available in both. Maybe in two years or three, a variant will come along that offers the missing option. Or not. Or something totally different. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted October 31, 2022 Share #15 Posted October 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Huss said: The black chrome was a finish 'sealed' into the silver chrome. Chrome plating is very environmentally toxic and now requires many more controls. I wonder then what this means for silver chrome cameras? Perhaps that is the reason why there will not be a silver chrome M6? More conjecture! As you say, conjecture. The M11 is available in silver chrome as well as the black paint on aluminium. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share #16 Posted October 31, 2022 The M-A has been liberating for me. 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted October 31, 2022 Share #17 Posted October 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Matlock said: The M11 is Black paint as is the M6. The reason given by Leica is that Black Chrome is no longer available for "new build" cameras due to environment concerns. Note the "new build" comment. Not sure what 'new build' means. Does that mean 'new models' or newly built versions of existing models? I wonder if the M-A will switch to the M6/M11 black paint once the existing supply of BC bodies is exhausted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 31, 2022 Share #18 Posted October 31, 2022 I would take it to mean that there may be stock on dealers shelves of black chrome bodies but they won't be making any more of them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 31, 2022 Share #19 Posted October 31, 2022 Black chrome is essentially the same as silver chrome, it's chrome plating. And despite environmental concerns imagine how many metals would rapidly degrade in the environment without being plated. So this is a decision by Leica to offer a paint version now so they can then offer a plated version later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydet Posted November 1, 2022 Share #20 Posted November 1, 2022 I sold mine to help pay for a minty black-paint M4 and instantly missed it. That finish marred pretty easily {strap half moons for example) but that didn’t bother me. I’m old but not too old to plan on another one day in the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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