monTeur Posted October 7, 2022 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, What do you think, will there be a Leica M11-D without the display? I would love to see Leica producing cameras that even more reproduce the feeling of analog photography with the advantages of the digital world. My perfect digital Leica would be an M11 without the display and a top handle that NEEDS to be pulled to shoot the next picture, like on film cameras. That would bring so much analog feeling to it... Also there could be technology like internal film grain, halation or even different films stocks that are embedded into the raw, like Arri did with the new Alexa s35 texture controls. Just some thoughts, does anyone from Leica listen? 🙂 fenykepesz and evikne 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted October 7, 2022 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2022 Just bring back the M10-D i’d be more than happy 😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 7, 2022 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) I'm really looking forward to the M11-D myself and I'm excited to see how it will function and look (I love everything about the M10-D's design though). None of the other new models have any interest for me. Edited October 7, 2022 by evikne fenykepesz, ronnjay, sebben and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted October 7, 2022 Share #4 Posted October 7, 2022 To my personal taste if that's what I am looking for then i'd get an analog camera, not a digital camera that replicates analog. The whole point of Raw is to be Raw, if it is interpreting the file and adding anything to it then it is not raw. That is what processing is for. Don't need the camera to do that. There are cases that hide the display, or you can disable it. If you don't want to use it don't, the camera is not forcing you to use it. I personally use the display to verify the parameters on ISO and Speed are balanced, in other words almost as a light meter. Then I will shoot without the display and don't review until I get home. UNLESS there is the one unique image that is a one time opportunity to capture and then it's gone. Then I will shoot and review before moving on. A handle to pull as if one is shooting film that does nothing but fake the action to me is also a gimmick. It adds nothing. Shoot film and be done with it. This is all my personal taste and I compeltely respect and understand that we all look for different things. No judgement there. Harout62 and kinetic 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 7, 2022 Share #5 Posted October 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, S Maclean said: Shoot film and be done with it. Film is not for everyone. It's expensive and cumbersome. But I love the look of film and film cameras. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted October 7, 2022 Share #6 Posted October 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, evikne said: Film is not for everyone. It's expensive and cumbersome. But I love the look of film and film cameras. Totally. As I said; its my own personal view applicable to me. Completelly see your perspective, I just don't share the same view. I would feel strange using a camera that is designed to looks cosmetically like something it is not. It just feels weird and, at that point, I neither have the benefits of digital, nor the pleassure and commitment of analog/ film photography. Just me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted October 7, 2022 Share #7 Posted October 7, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) @monTeur Yes to all you wrote in post #1 but at a M-A price. fenykepesz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 7, 2022 Share #8 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, S Maclean said: ...I would feel strange using a camera that is designed to looks cosmetically like something it is not. It just feels weird and, at that point, I neither have the benefits of digital, nor the pleassure and commitment of analog/ film photography... This is where the M-D Typ-262 got everything 'right'. It features no nonsensical gimmicks; is exactly what it appears to be; requires exactly the same technique as shooting analogue in terms of the image capture stage and has the supreme benefit (IMO) over shooting analogue in that it allows for a digital workflow. If Leica does release an M11D, however, I'm sure it will go even further from the ultra-simplistic M-D concept than the M10D did. Philip. Edited October 7, 2022 by pippy S Maclean, ronnjay, didier and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 7, 2022 Share #9 Posted October 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, pippy said: If Leica does release an M11D, however, I'm sure it will go even further from the ultra-simplistic M-D concept than even the M10D did. I hope so! pippy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 7, 2022 Share #10 Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, evikne said: I hope so! If it does then I'm sure it will prove to be more successful in terms of sales than the M-D............ As a matter of interest, evikne, what 'extras' over the M10D would you, personally, welcome in a future upcoming M11D? Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenykepesz Posted October 7, 2022 Share #11 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) vor 4 Stunden schrieb monTeur: Hi, What do you think, will there be a Leica M11-D without the display? I would love to see Leica producing cameras that even more reproduce the feeling of analog photography with the advantages of the digital world. My perfect digital Leica would be an M11 without the display and a top handle that NEEDS to be pulled to shoot the next picture, like on film cameras. That would bring so much analog feeling to it... Also there could be technology like internal film grain, halation or even different films stocks that are embedded into the raw, like Arri did with the new Alexa s35 texture controls. Just some thoughts, does anyone from Leica listen? 🙂 i couldn't agree more with your suggestions, monTeur ! i like every detail you mentioned, including 'cocking' the non-film camera with that much-loved thumb rest. here my dream camera : - take an M11-D with its new triple sensor - rip off its screen and associated buttons - add that top-handle thumb rest - and if in any way possible, implement a focus peaking functionality superimposed as (laser-generated?) pattern into the OVF display and invoked by pressing that somewhat useless 'focus button' we know from the M10-D. IMHO, it's focus problems due to camera, lens and human errors that plague us most and ruin precious pictures taken at high resolution. IBIS is somewhat less important in my eyes and can be circumvent easier or addressed off-line as compared to a frank FOCUS error and nothing to lie about. Edited October 7, 2022 by fenykepesz Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 7, 2022 Share #12 Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, pippy said: As a matter of interest, evikne, what 'extras' over the M10D would you, personally, welcome in a future upcoming M11D? I hope for a faster and easier connection to mobile devices, and the possibility to choose uncoded lenses. Edited October 7, 2022 by evikne fenykepesz, pippy, grahamc and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted October 7, 2022 Share #13 Posted October 7, 2022 57 minutes ago, evikne said: I hope for a faster and easier connection to mobile devices, and the possibility to choose uncoded lenses. It was possible with the M10D to choose uncoded lenses as far as i recall, through the leica fotos? Or was i wrong? 2 hours ago, S Maclean said: To my personal taste if that's what I am looking for then i'd get an analog camera, not a digital camera that replicates analog. The whole point of Raw is to be Raw, if it is interpreting the file and adding anything to it then it is not raw. That is what processing is for. Don't need the camera to do that. There are cases that hide the display, or you can disable it. If you don't want to use it don't, the camera is not forcing you to use it. I personally use the display to verify the parameters on ISO and Speed are balanced, in other words almost as a light meter. Then I will shoot without the display and don't review until I get home. UNLESS there is the one unique image that is a one time opportunity to capture and then it's gone. Then I will shoot and review before moving on. A handle to pull as if one is shooting film that does nothing but fake the action to me is also a gimmick. It adds nothing. Shoot film and be done with it. This is all my personal taste and I compeltely respect and understand that we all look for different things. No judgement there. miss my days using the M10D, sometimes it isnt meant to replicate films body, a body like analog is just a different experience, screenless for instance, not that the camera forces you to see the screen, just without the options, that means less distraction when i was using m10D, all i did was frame, shot, frame, shot, frame and shot without even worrying focus, and exposure as i was really confident, i enjoy my M2-R that my lightmeter was never been used for day shoot since bought, and instead of going home, developing and scanning it, the digital sensor is more convenient to get done with, well at least that’s what i experienced when using M10D, i shot it alongside my either Mp or M2 Not only film analog, digital too can go screenless fenykepesz, pippy and S Maclean 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 7, 2022 Share #14 Posted October 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, jakontil said: It was possible with the M10D to choose uncoded lenses as far as i recall, through the leica fotos? Or was i wrong? Strangely enough, it is not possible. But if a software update is all that is needed, it will probably work on the M10-D as well. jakontil 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted October 7, 2022 Share #15 Posted October 7, 2022 4 hours ago, evikne said: I hope for a faster and easier connection to mobile devices, and the possibility to choose uncoded lenses. Why do you want a mobile screen. that is cheating ! you get visible to change setting and that's it! I hope I don't se you with visoflex framing! jakontil 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slippyphoto23 Posted April 1 Share #16 Posted April 1 Literally could not agree more! I have two M10-D bodies, and I use them professionally. Although I’m slightly uncomfortable with it, it’s gotten to the point when several of my clients actively ask me to shoot with it instead of the usual Canon tethered monstrous setup - The combination of shooting almost wireless tethering with ten WiFi to an iPad (for an Art Director); plus the ease of use of a rangefinder and the reactions I get from the model/sitter; all with the beautiful film-like flexibility of the M10 DNG files, makes for such a unique experience. The one thing I would say, I that IMO, the M11 files is nowhere near as nice a file as the M10 - this would be the only drawback. But to have a body with a film-winder that could manually recock the shutter mechanism, would be probably the thing left to make it like a digital M6/M7 - save putting a roll of 35mm in it! monTeur, didier, weevi and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted April 1 Share #17 Posted April 1 On 10/7/2022 at 2:20 PM, monTeur said: Hi, What do you think, will there be a Leica M11-D without the display? I would love to see Leica producing cameras that even more reproduce the feeling of analog photography with the advantages of the digital world. My perfect digital Leica would be an M11 without the display and a top handle that NEEDS to be pulled to shoot the next picture, like on film cameras. That would bring so much analog feeling to it... Also there could be technology like internal film grain, halation or even different films stocks that are embedded into the raw, like Arri did with the new Alexa s35 texture controls. Just some thoughts, does anyone from Leica listen? 🙂 I LOVED my M10D. Sold it eventually after buying the M11. Still no real regrets but it was my favourite form factor for a digital M. I loved the thumb rest too. For me that is an intrinsic part of the M camera ergonomics and should be on all digital M cameras. Perfect for locking the thumb into so the camera has a super secure hold. Fold away when you don't need it. I'd then loose the current thumb bump and have the scroll wheel flush to the body of the camera, so it follows the curve of the body. Then you retain the original lines of the M cameras. evikne and fenykepesz 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtoleica Posted April 1 Share #18 Posted April 1 I had an M10-D for a short while. It was during lockdown and I'd got back into Leica M after using MF Olympus lenses, film cameras and a Sony A7R for a few years. Loved the feel of the camera but it didn't gel. Might have been lockdown as I wasn't being able to shoot what I normally would. I've got an M10-P again now as the Ds are 'unobtainum' and v expensive. The P is lovely but I never use the screen. It's just a place for my nose to make smudges..... Really being used to shooting film it never occurs to me to look at the screen. I agree the M10-D felt beautiful though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRJohn Posted April 2 Share #19 Posted April 2 It would be nice to see another implementation of the "D" in a future M. I am happy with my M10-D, what I would like to have is: - best available low-light sensor with whatever megapixel (i.e. 24 is fine, but I also take 50 or something in between, I just don't need to toggle between different resolutions like the M11 offers); I would also happily pay for an upgrade to the SL2-S sensor for my existing M10-D if that was available. - better battery performance (either through a different type or better performance of electronics), and yes, having access to it without removing the baseplate through a separate door would be useful - better wireless connectivity to set key parameters, incl bluetooth - native full support for the Visoflex 2 (very useful for low-light focusing), I would also take an Mfuture-D with a built-in EVF instead of the rangefinder - and definitely keep the rewind thumbrest, I think one is allowed at least one luxury feature on an M evikne, IkarusJohn and fenykepesz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted April 2 Share #20 Posted April 2 (edited) I love the 10-D and i’m not really looking for any major changes. I’ll ‘maybe’ be interested in the upgraded sensor. I don’t find initially connecting to fotos via Bluetooth connection to the phone a pain at all now, but disconnections can be too frequent I’d love to see an 11 version but only problem would be I definitely wouldn’t want to part with my 10D and only need one digital M. I’ve read often the wish for the cocking shutter , I’m not interested in that at all - when I use my D it’s a welcome (much quicker) change from my film cameras and that’s one of the reasons I enjoy it as a different experience. And convenience of the instant files of course, as others have mentioned. Edited April 2 by grahamc fenykepesz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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