Danner Posted November 8, 2022 Share #1741 Posted November 8, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just spoke with my Leica dealer, where I pre-ordered an M6, and it's looking like a long wait. They have not received even a single camera yet. I was told that based on the number of pre-orders, and the rate at which film M's have been received over the past several years, the wait may be on the order of 'years'. At least I'm somewhere on the list, LOL. I was also told that the demand for the M6 Reissue is 'unprecedented'. Strangely, this makes me happy (about the future of film photography). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 8, 2022 Posted November 8, 2022 Hi Danner, Take a look here New Leica M6 Film Camera. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Huss Posted November 8, 2022 Share #1742 Posted November 8, 2022 Anyone still believe the all new parts to alleviate supply issues line? Black MP unavailable. M6 unavailable. The new Leica - same as the old Leica. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted November 8, 2022 Share #1743 Posted November 8, 2022 53 minutes ago, mshchem said: Just received a note from Samy's manager of E commerce. NO ETA ON NEW M6. My all caps. I am guessing middle of December for the privileged few, February for the rest of us (me). Ok, so how long before the privileged few are flipping these on eBay for a profit to impatient buyers who want the camera in time for the holidays? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshchem Posted November 9, 2022 Share #1744 Posted November 9, 2022 Reminds me a bit of the newest Corvettes, people flipping and making a bit extra. Sounds like a way to get audited. We shall see. MP with a tilted rewind. Still, a darn beautiful camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted November 25, 2022 Share #1745 Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) I have registered my email with Leica, for news of any stock. I don’t need one, I’ve had no issues with my M3 and M4, so there’s really no rush or desperation. I can’t possibly justify it, so I won’t even attempt to do so, it’s simply a case of the heart wants what the heart wants 😐 But once you’ve made the decision to buy, it all of a sudden becomes urgent and quite disheartening to see a lack of a a reliable timeline from the manufacturer; It naturally creates doubts. Edited November 25, 2022 by Mr.Prime 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted November 25, 2022 Share #1746 Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) On 11/8/2022 at 12:58 PM, logan2z said: Ok, so how long before the privileged few are flipping these on eBay for a profit to impatient buyers who want the camera in time for the holidays? No-one wanted my spare new, unused, never opened M6 at MSRP!! Edited November 25, 2022 by Huss 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootinhd Posted November 25, 2022 Share #1747 Posted November 25, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Huss said: No-one wanted my spare new, unused, never opened M6 at MSRP!! You still got it? I’ll pick it up as I’m local to South Bay too Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted November 25, 2022 Share #1748 Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, shootinhd said: You still got it? I’ll pick it up as I’m local to South Bay too I sent it back to leicausa last Monday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj3209 Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1749 Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) On 11/8/2022 at 7:30 PM, mshchem said: Reminds me a bit of the newest Corvettes, people flipping and making a bit extra. Sounds like a way to get audited. We shall see. MP with a tilted rewind. Still, a darn beautiful camera. You should see how people buy rolex watches...either spend tens of thousands of dollars with an authorized dealer (you can't just buy the one you want, they expect you to buy multiple other models in addition) or pay over MSRP with a rolex 'middle dealer' (essentially someone who buys rolex watches to resell) by around 30-50%...it's a racket but it is what it is... Edited November 26, 2022 by cj3209 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1750 Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 8:04 PM, Danner said: I was also told that the demand for the M6 Reissue is 'unprecedented'. Strangely, this makes me happy (about the future of film photography). It's certainly good news from the point of view of Leica being committed to building and repairing M film cameras (and, as a film M user, that's something worth having) but the number of cameras involved means it has no bearing on the future of film photography more generally (labs, lab equipment, chemicals, film manufacture, etc.). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1751 Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) I suspect the limited availability of the M6 is attributable to Leica's staff capacity, not scale of production facilities. Assembling and testing the M6 is surely still a craft and skill based activity, not a simple production line. Of course Leica can take on new staff and train them up, but the trend of the last couple of decades has been for young employees to move from job to job rather than staying in a job for life. I'm sure that an apprentice at Leica would be highly valued elsewhere. This must make for slow progress in increasing capacity for the M6. I wonder how many staff Leica has with the skill to do the critical assembly elements. (What would they be? rangefinder? shutter?) Armchair CEO (retd). Edited November 26, 2022 by LocalHero1953 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukka Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1752 Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, wattsy said: It's certainly good news from the point of view of Leica being committed to building and repairing M film cameras (and, as a film M user, that's something worth having) but the number of cameras involved means it has no bearing on the future of film photography more generally (labs, lab equipment, chemicals, film manufacture, etc.). Yup, due to large volumes of manufacturing in past decades, there is no shortage of film bodies at the moment. However, if no other manufacturer, in addition to Leica, starts producing them again, there might not be analogue photography in fifty years time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1753 Posted November 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, jukka said: Yup, due to large volumes of manufacturing in past decades, there is no shortage of film bodies at the moment. However, if no other manufacturer, in addition to Leica, starts producing them again, there might not be analogue photography in fifty years time. I don't think you have cause to worry as I have just shot a roll of 120 film in a 1916 camera. We have a little while yet 🙂 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukka Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1754 Posted November 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Matlock said: I don't think you have cause to worry as I have just shot a roll of 120 film in a 1916 camera. Don't see hipsters in fifty years shooting anything from 1916 7 minutes ago, Matlock said: We have a little while yet 🙂 . Sure we do, but if no new ones are made, sooner or later the old ones are going to run out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1755 Posted November 26, 2022 What will be precision camera without trained repairers ? Trained repairers like in mechanic watch world desappeared but watch companies trained them for future. This was some decades ago. Precision mechanic can be handle by machines, but so many jobs must be worked out by human's hands. I hope that young people can be trained for camera repairs. Why not by Leica factory as the only present mechanical camera maker. Even if they quit the Leica factory, the craftmanship can be valorized as individual or as repair company. My thinking is that the new release M6 could be new manufacture method to be used now and in future. Happily Leica Camera believe in film. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1756 Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, jukka said: Don't see hipsters in fifty years shooting anything from 1916 Sure we do, but if no new ones are made, sooner or later the old ones are going to run out. I'm 77 years old so will probably see me out 🙂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1757 Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, a.noctilux said: . My thinking is that the new release M6 could be new manufacture method to be used now and in future. Happily Leica Camera believe in film. Explain your thinking here…. New manufacture method…. And what that means in long run…? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj3209 Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1758 Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, a.noctilux said: What will be precision camera without trained repairers ? Trained repairers like in mechanic watch world desappeared but watch companies trained them for future. This was some decades ago. Precision mechanic can be handle by machines, but so many jobs must be worked out by human's hands. I hope that young people can be trained for camera repairs. Why not by Leica factory as the only present mechanical camera maker. Even if they quit the Leica factory, the craftmanship can be valorized as individual or as repair company. Being a camera technician is not as sexy as a tik-tok/youtube influencer or real estate/investment professional (ie., bitcoin) - that's whats going on with young people (I have a young adult son). With time, repairs for items like cameras, watches, etc. are going to be more expensive (a watch CLA/repair can easily go for $400+, and that's now). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj3209 Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1759 Posted November 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, lmans said: Explain your thinking here…. New manufacture method…. And what that means in long run…? ie., automation Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 26, 2022 Share #1760 Posted November 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, lmans said: Explain your thinking here…. New manufacture method…. And what that means in long run…? I can not. Just guessing 😉 in fact, nothing precise. In long run, or short run good for film user that Leica launched in 2022 new film camera. Sorry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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