28framelines Posted July 17, 2022 Share #1 Posted July 17, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) We have only two options for the 28mm focal length with an f1.4 aperture: a $10,000 CAD lens, and a sub-$1000 CAD TT Artisans option which, from reviews I’ve seen, really doesn’t perform well at maximum aperture (which is why you’d buy it). Am I crazy, or would anyone else jump at the first opportunity to pre-order a Voigtlander 28mm Nokton given their latest successes? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Terje Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2 Posted July 17, 2022 I really dont need 1,4f on a 28mm. IMO 2.0f is more than sufficient 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28framelines Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Terje said: I really dont need 1,4f on a 28mm. IMO 2.0f is more than sufficient Normally I’d agree with you, but I really love my Leica 28mm Elmarit ASPH II for its compact size and flare resistance, something I know the 28 Summicron doesn’t have (Flare Resistance) and the 28 Ultron ASPH does (but that lens vignettes pretty hard and it never mounted on my camera correctly after two separate lens swaps). This, for me, I like the compact form factor of the Elmarit and would want something bigger only if I could get additional light gathering or separation. Plus, at any ISO, the light-gathering-to-shutterspeed-match (note: I did not say aperture value or bokeh or anything, just light gathering potential) is the equivalent to a 50mm f1 for handholding (1/30 for 28mm vs 1/60 for 50mm, which is a whole stop difference). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted July 18, 2022 Share #4 Posted July 18, 2022 Never had a flare problem with either of my 28mm summicron asph lenses (owned a v1 for several years and then replaced it with a safari edition for the sliding hood). An f1.4 28mm CV lens would have to offer much more than simply a maximum f1.4 aperture to tempt me; ie everything that the 28mm summilux can do at a CV price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28framelines Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted July 18, 2022 56 minutes ago, Ouroboros said: Never had a flare problem with either of my 28mm summicron asph lenses (owned a v1 for several years and then replaced it with a safari edition for the sliding hood). An f1.4 28mm CV lens would have to offer much more than simply a maximum f1.4 aperture to tempt me; ie everything that the 28mm summilux can do at a CV price. I don’t think that’s impossible given the high praise the CV 28mm Ultron ASPH Type II has received (basically it’s the same image quality as the Summicron) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28framelines Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Vinncent said: Once you own this one is hard to justify any other 28mm. IMO this 28f2 Ultron II is the king of 28mm lenses at the moment (all things considered) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! If I change this for a Leica I’ll be honest and say I swapped just because I wanted my lens to say LEICA on it. I guess that’s my point. They did a fantastic job on it (again, I recognize the issues I had with the lens are my own), and I feel they could offer a great f1.4 offering. The other problem with that lens (to me and my use case specifically!) is that it focuses to 0.5m, and I don’t have a digital Leica. It just gets confusing when trying to make environmental portraits with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 18, 2022 Share #7 Posted July 18, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Summicron 28/2 v1 and v2 are the best 28 i've used so far but i prefer the smaller size of the Ultron 28/2 for use on compact cameras like digital CL. A CV 28/1.4 significantly smaller than the Summilux could interest me then if it could have a bit less contrast and CA than the Ultron preferably. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted July 18, 2022 Share #8 Posted July 18, 2022 I am a 21-35-50-90 man. So, I will sit this out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted July 19, 2022 Share #9 Posted July 19, 2022 I would not pre-order, but would pay attention to real-world user reports, after such a lens has been in the wild, in production form, for a while. I am really liking my 21mm f/1.4 Nokton VM and my Zeiss 35mm f/1,4 Distagon ZM lenses, and, thus far, my Leica Elmarits and Summaron have sufficed at 28mm. I do not currently “feel” a need for a fast 28mm, made my either Leica or Cosina, but, I can appreciate optical excellence, so, might be tempted. I am simply answering for myself. There is nothing “crazy” about wishing for an f/1.4 28mm M-mount Nokton lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2022 Share #10 Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Vinncent said: Never seen any CA on the Ultron II. I guess you could force it do it, and even then it will be very minor. As far as my samples are concerned, color fringing is not huge but it is obvious at f/2 on the Ultron that cannot compete with the Summicron there. 8 hours ago, Vinncent said: If they did that then it would have significant amounts of CA and softness at f1.4. See their 35f1.4. I am not interested in bulky lenses, especially wides blocking the viewfinder but my experience is different with CV 35/1.4 lenses. My Nokton 35/1.4 SC v1 is soft at f/1.4 but v2 much less so and i did not notice significant CA on it so far. It is a lens i use mainly on APS-C though so i may be missing something. Edited July 19, 2022 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2022 Share #11 Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Vinncent said: Not sure what that means, but I’ve never seen it. Comparison with Summicron 28/2 v2 at f/2 here. Ultron:https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Sony-A7r2-mod-Leica-282-v2/i-Qd7B4cG/0/f95577a4/X4/DSC04060_si-X4.jpg Summicron:https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Sony-A7r2-mod-Leica-282-v2/i-f9SWcJt/0/e1abde8f/X4/DSC04059_si-X4.jpg Edited July 19, 2022 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2022 Share #12 Posted July 19, 2022 This is not real world for you but it is for me: my garden . Seriously, it is easy to produce color fringing with many lenses but some of them are better than others from this viewpoint. The Summicron is a more expensive lens of course but somebody said the Ultron is the "king" of 28mm lenses above or elsewhere. I don't mind at all as i do like this little lens on my CL but if the Ultron is a king, there is an emperor then and it is called Summicron . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2022 Share #13 Posted July 19, 2022 Makes me feel that i wasted my time in this thread... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2022 Share #14 Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vinncent said: Taken at f2 Hard to compare CA at f/2 otherwise . I'm not sure if you are a serious colleague here so i will abstain from replying to you until i make sure you are not a troll. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted July 19, 2022 Share #15 Posted July 19, 2022 Darn I am SO HAPPY with the Voigtlander Ultron II in black paint on my M10-R BP that I can hardly wish for anything else in this focal length. In fact, I don't. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted July 19, 2022 Share #16 Posted July 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Al Brown said: Darn I am SO HAPPY with the Voigtlander Ultron II in black paint on my M10-R BP that I can hardly wish for anything else in this focal length. In fact, I don't. I asked this before of another user but no answer - what is the focus action like on the 28 Ultron II? Is it whip fast with no resistance (like my 28 'cron)? Or is there a sluggishness to it (like a lot of more recent Leica lenses I've tried)? I did pickup a Voigt 50mm APO - great build quality but overall the lens left me a b it cold, with too much vignetting and not the same ergonomics as my Leica 50 late pre-asph Summilux (again, whip fast focusing). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted July 19, 2022 Share #17 Posted July 19, 2022 37 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: I asked this before of another user but no answer - what is the focus action like on the 28 Ultron II? Is it whip fast with no resistance (like my 28 'cron)? Or is there a sluggishness to it (like a lot of more recent Leica lenses I've tried)? I did pickup a Voigt 50mm APO - great build quality but overall the lens left me a b it cold, with too much vignetting and not the same ergonomics as my Leica 50 late pre-asph Summilux (again, whip fast focusing). Not very loose, tight but not hard to focus. I would say on the firmer side, definitely not manageable with a pinky finger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted July 19, 2022 Share #18 Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 1:09 PM, 28framelines said: We have only two options for the 28mm focal length with an f1.4 aperture: a $10,000 CAD lens, and a sub-$1000 CAD TT Artisans option which, from reviews I’ve seen, really doesn’t perform well at maximum aperture (which is why you’d buy it). Am I crazy, or would anyone else jump at the first opportunity to pre-order a Voigtlander 28mm Nokton given their latest successes? For me, not really. most 28 1.4 are blocking 28 framelines lens. I don't need it. To be honest, I had no issues with 28 f2.8 and even f5.6 lenses. For now I have 28 FOV f1.9 lens on old Ricoh GRD and it is totally enough, even with only low ISO. If I really need this aperture on M, where are plenty of not expensive 50mm lenses. If wide end is a must, I'd rather get 21 1.5 or 21 1.4. But again, my 21 f4 works well for low light even on M-E 220. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2022 Share #19 Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vinncent said: I said nobody will see it in every day use. Easy to see here (link). Could be worse but a CV 28/1.4 would interest me if it has less fringing and does not block the viewfinder too much. Edited July 19, 2022 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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