sabears Posted October 2, 2022 Share #21 Posted October 2, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, ironringer said: Excuse me for asking a basic question - could Summicron M 35mm "8 element" users tell us how to recognise that type from the more common (7 element?) versions? From the barrell, I guess 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted October 2, 2022 Share #22 Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, ironringer said: Excuse me for asking a basic question - could Summicron M 35mm "8 element" users tell us how to recognise that type from the more common (7 element?) versions? Wiki can help https://wiki.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Summicron_(I)_f%3D_3.5_cm_1:2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! https://wiki.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/35mm_f/2_Summicron_II then we have serial number "I" is silver (mostly) aluminium finish, rare black paint, some in M3 with goggles "II" is all in black anodized finish Edited October 2, 2022 by a.noctilux Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! https://wiki.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/35mm_f/2_Summicron_II then we have serial number "I" is silver (mostly) aluminium finish, rare black paint, some in M3 with goggles "II" is all in black anodized finish ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/334576-summicron-m-35-8-element/?do=findComment&comment=4522531'>More sharing options...
romanus53 Posted October 2, 2022 Share #23 Posted October 2, 2022 The Focustab Has That Smart Infinitiy lock Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted October 2, 2022 Share #24 Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, romanus53 said: The Focustab Has That Smart Infinitiy lock 11 hours ago, a.noctilux said: Wiki can help https://wiki.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Summicron_(I)_f%3D_3.5_cm_1:2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! https://wiki.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/35mm_f/2_Summicron_II then we have serial number "I" is silver (mostly) aluminium finish, rare black paint, some in M3 with goggles "II" is all in black anodized finish Hello ironringer, You can see see an example of an Infinity lock button on the focusing tab in the second photo from the left in the above series of photos that Arnaud was nice enough to provide. It is that separate section on the camera side of the focusing tab. By the way, you can NOT use the presence of "goggles" to determine whether a lens is version I or not since there are examples of the versions II & III known to have been delivered with "goggles". The 7 element design is version IV. Best Regards, Michael Edited October 2, 2022 by Michael Geschlecht Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 3, 2022 Share #25 Posted October 3, 2022 Apart other details, for me the easy and quick way to identify an 8 element Summicron 35 (goggled or not), is the DOF scale : slanted in the 8 elements, otherwise straight vertical. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 4, 2022 Share #26 Posted October 4, 2022 On 10/2/2022 at 6:24 AM, ironringer said: Excuse me for asking a basic question - could Summicron M 35mm "8 element" users tell us how to recognise that type from the more common (7 element?) versions? If you mean in the physical sense the 8-Element is completely different in form. I'll assume you are fully aware of what the ubiquitous '79-'96 7 element version looks like so here is a thread which shows, very clearly, what the 8-Element looks like for the sake of comparison; https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326477-summicron-352-8-element-vs-light-lens-lab-352-a-direct-comparison/#comment-4312043 Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 4, 2022 Share #27 Posted October 4, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think, that he means, if one recognize the type for the results, it brings. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted October 4, 2022 Share #28 Posted October 4, 2022 Am 2.10.2022 um 07:24 schrieb ironringer: Excuse me for asking a basic question - could Summicron M 35mm "8 element" users tell us how to recognise that type from the more common (7 element?) versions? Luigi in post #25 above provided perfect guidance on how to physically differentiate the 8-element Summicron 35 from all other Summicron 35 lenses. BTW, the Summicron 35 version II and III had 6 elements, only the Summicron IV has 7 elements. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 4, 2022 Share #29 Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jankap said: I think, that he means, if one recognize the type for the results, it brings. This is nothing. Automatics .... I think, that he means, if one can recognize the type "7" or "8" from the results, it brings in the pictures. Edited October 4, 2022 by jankap Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted October 4, 2022 Share #30 Posted October 4, 2022 vor 31 Minuten schrieb jankap: I think, that he means, if one can recognize the type "7" or "8" from the results, it brings in the pictures. Well, if he really means that, then the answer is that it will be very difficult. Stopped down, differences in the results between the various Summicron 35 lenses will be negligible, and even at full aperture it will be hard to say which shot has been taken with which lens. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted October 6, 2022 Share #31 Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) On 10/4/2022 at 4:29 PM, wizard said: Well, if he really means that, then the answer is that it will be very difficult. Stopped down, differences in the results between the various Summicron 35 lenses will be negligible, and even at full aperture it will be hard to say which shot has been taken with which lens. I tend to say/think the same as you. Indeed very difficult to "prove" the superiority of one over another Summicron 35mm. I do use all of them (...I to IV, each type in many units/mounts ) learned to "know" their subtle differences. How well was the creation of 35mm Summicron "I" which age so well, since 1958 👍, still top "user lens" and gaining more and more "educated users" everyday, only the price rise is the blocking factor or maybe not, just "hype things". Edited October 6, 2022 by a.noctilux 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted October 7, 2022 Share #32 Posted October 7, 2022 19 hours ago, a.noctilux said: Indeed very difficult to "prove" the superiority of one over another Summicron 35mm. I found the difference between the v1 8 element- the V2, V3 and V4 quite notable. The 8 element just had a clarity and sharpness wide open the others lacked. the later ones had a type of 'steaminess' to my eye. At least the ones I owned. 8 element: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! v2 foggy bokeh: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! v2 foggy bokeh: ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/334576-summicron-m-35-8-element/?do=findComment&comment=4526553'>More sharing options...
ironringer Posted October 7, 2022 Share #33 Posted October 7, 2022 Thank you everyone for your clear explanations and examples, showing me/us how to identify the earlier 8 element "V1" type of the 35mm Summicron. I was interested in the physical characteristics and/or serial numbers, that are recognisable. Someday I may see one and ask its owner how well it performs. Jankap mentions the quality of its pictures, as a possible difference from the later V2 type. As a casual user of Leicas, and not being an expert, I doubt I would see the subtle differences. So I am satisfied with my model 11879 35mm Summicron, and my "goggles" 35mm Summaron f2.8; both are excellent lenses. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 7, 2022 Share #34 Posted October 7, 2022 I take pictures! I am not interested in the lenses as they are: infinity lock design, color black and two red dots, designed by Prof. X.Y., etc. Of course the lenses differ in the pictures too, but try to repeat the exact situation a second time. A brick wall perhaps ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanus53 Posted October 8, 2022 Share #35 Posted October 8, 2022 considering the performance the 8E is close to the Summilux, compared to a later version contrast and over-all quality was lower when used wide open but stopped down performance and sharpness was better towards the edges of the image circle. Late E. Puts made similar observations and provided some MTF to prove this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted October 8, 2022 Share #36 Posted October 8, 2022 I have both the 8E and same era 2.8 Summaron - and refer the images from the Summaron. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernstein1234 Posted May 24, 2023 Share #37 Posted May 24, 2023 On 10/8/2022 at 11:46 PM, TomB_tx said: I have both the 8E and same era 2.8 Summaron - and refer the images from the Summaron. Hi, do you mean you 'prefer' the images from the 2.8 Summaron? I've the Summaron and am thinking of getting the 8E, can you help me suggest why you prefer the Summaron? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted May 24, 2023 Share #38 Posted May 24, 2023 My Summaron has higher contrast than my 8E with equivalent resolution. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernstein1234 Posted May 24, 2023 Share #39 Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) I am currently using M9, found nothing wrong with my Summaron but sometimes the f2.8 is lacking in dim situations (e.g. cafe, bars) and wondering if the f2 would help matters with the 1 stop difference. Thanks for your inputs. Edited May 24, 2023 by bernstein1234 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernstein1234 Posted May 24, 2023 Share #40 Posted May 24, 2023 6 hours ago, TomB_tx said: My Summaron has higher contrast than my 8E with equivalent resolution. I am currently using M9, found nothing wrong with my Summaron but sometimes the f2.8 is lacking in dim situations (e.g. cafe, bars) and wondering if the f2 would help matters with the 1 stop difference. Thanks for your inputs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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