Deliberate1 Posted July 9, 2022 Share #1 Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I had this issue arise this weekend with my 70mm on the 007. I have never seen this distortion before. After it appeared, I mounted the 35mm and an adapted Contax 120mm, and all was well. So, the good news is that it does not appear to be the body. The bad news, its still going to cost me Leica-bucks to fix the lens. But I'd like to know if anyone has ever see this phenomenon, and what it is. Obliged in advance. David Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 9, 2022 by Deliberate1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/334414-digital-distortion-s00770mm/?do=findComment&comment=4468054'>More sharing options...
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adan Posted July 9, 2022 Share #2 Posted July 9, 2022 If it's not the camera or other lenses - and you don't see the effect when looking through the 70mm (on or off the camera) - seems to me like the 70mm electronics and/or contacts may be sending gibberish to the camera. Or the camera firmware code has developed a bug specific to "detecting" a 70mm lens is mounted. I can't imagine any optical problem that would not be obvious otherwise. Before sending it to Leica, you might - visually check the lens and camera contacts for dirt or wear, and give them a cleaning. - upgrade the camera firmware if possible, just to see if that overwrites something that clears the problem (with a computer you could re-install a clean copy of the same firmware, but cameras don't seem to have that option). - reset to "factory default settings" in the menu. - try a different, freshly-formatted SD card - and the long-time tech-support master computer fix: "unplug" the camera. Take out the battery, wait five minutes, and then put the battery back in. If none of those work, then its time for the "Leica Bucks." 😰 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnian Posted July 9, 2022 Share #3 Posted July 9, 2022 adan's advice is very sound and well thought out. Good post. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share #4 Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) Adan, many thanks for your thoughtful suggestions. I had already tried cleaning the contacts, popping the battery and using a newly formatted card. But reinstalling the firmware did not occur to me and is a solid suggestion. Seems I recall that the camera has the firmware and that it coordinates with the lens when you switch on the camera and hold down the toggle button. That is the way I did it with my 06, as I recall. But that technique did not work with the 007. There is a function that allows you reestablish all the default settings. But I prefer not to do that unless I have some confidence that it will also reestablish contact with the lens as well I just tried accessing my Leica account but all of my registration data over the years has evaporated. Consequently, I will have to figure out how to access the updates, which may require reregistration. Yet another poke in the eye. David Edited July 9, 2022 by Deliberate1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted July 9, 2022 Share #5 Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Deliberate1 said: figure out how to access the updates, which may require reregistration. Yet another poke in the eye. David https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/2021-12/S_007-5.0.0.0-RAW_COMPRESSED-FULL.FW Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, frame-it said: https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/2021-12/S_007-5.0.0.0-RAW_COMPRESSED-FULL.FW Thanks, but my computer will not open this, or identify an app that will. What is this. Current 007 operating system? Cheers. David Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted July 9, 2022 Share #7 Posted July 9, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, Deliberate1 said: Thanks, but my computer will not open this, or identify an app that will. What is this. Current 007 operating system? Cheers. David its the S007 firmware, you don't know to install it? https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/pm-55084-Leica S (Typ 007) firmware 5.0.0.0.pdf 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share #8 Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, frame-it said: its the S007 firmware, you don't know to install it? https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/pm-55084-Leica S (Typ 007) firmware 5.0.0.0.pdf Been a while since I did . Figured it out, and discovered that I am running an older firmware - 4.1.0.0. Hopefully, there will be an upate for the lens that will resolve the issue. Interesting that the following bug fix is identified for another lens: "Bug fix: under some circumstances the camera produced color patterns with the Leica Vario-Elmar-S 3.5-5.6 / 30-90mm ASPH." Thanks. David Edited July 10, 2022 by Deliberate1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclectic Man Posted July 11, 2022 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2022 Curious that it only shows with the 70mm. Have you tried photographing a plain white wall to see the actual pattern? It looks like the sensor output is not being read across all three colour channels for each pixel. Can you check with another 70mm lens if the pattern is reproduced with that? It might help to narrow down the miscreant. Do let us know how you get on, please. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share #10 Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 3:28 PM, Eclectic Man said: Curious that it only shows with the 70mm. Have you tried photographing a plain white wall to see the actual pattern? It looks like the sensor output is not being read across all three colour channels for each pixel. Can you check with another 70mm lens if the pattern is reproduced with that? It might help to narrow down the miscreant. Do let us know how you get on, please. Obliged for the insight. I have not shot the wall, as you suggest, as I would not be able to glean anything from it that would allow me to reolve the issue myself. I did reach out to Josh at Leica Miami, and sent him the image posted here, It was not terribly reassuring when he wrote back that he had never seen this phenomeno before, and with the suggestion that I reach out to the Leica service people for assistance. Sigh.... David Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted July 14, 2022 Share #11 Posted July 14, 2022 @Deliberate1, if you are near a Leica store, or a friend or someone that has an S camera of any kind, you could put the 70 on another body and see what happens? I see the note as I write this to Josh, he’s really good. Did you look in the EXIF of the image to see what lens it said you had connected? that may tell a lot as well.. David. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted July 14, 2022 Share #12 Posted July 14, 2022 Seeing as no one here has ever seen this, nor has Josh, I think he is right that your only resort is Leica service. I am not sure where you are located, but I would call the factory directly and then get a name and follow up with an email of the images. That will likely get you a quicker response, and it looks like an issue that the factory would be the lead on, rather than the country level agencies. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share #13 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 7:32 AM, Stuart Richardson said: Seeing as no one here has ever seen this, nor has Josh, I think he is right that your only resort is Leica service. I am not sure where you are located, but I would call the factory directly and then get a name and follow up with an email of the images. That will likely get you a quicker response, and it looks like an issue that the factory would be the lead on, rather than the country level agencies. Stuart, This was Josh's response: "Leica is in the process of relocating their headquarters in the USA, so I'd reach out to Leica Customer Care to find out what they recommend for the timing and location of where to send the lens for service. Their email is repair@leicacamerausa.com." I post this for the benefit of others who may be looking for an email address for repair issues, God forbid.... I'll report back once it is sorted out, and thank you all for your interest. David Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Update: At David Noble's suggestion, above, I checked the EXIF data for the distorted image only to discover that the camera did recognize the lens, and presented all the usual information. So, that part of the communication is intact. More interesting is the fact that I mounted the offending 70 on an 006 body (should have done this right off, but....) only to discover that it works perfectly on that body. So, the good news is that the lens appears to be fully functioning, at least with the 006. And the 007 body is fully functional with other lenses. I now just have to clear an SD card and install the updated firmware on the 007. Can't predict that this is the fix. But, all indication point to a 1's and 0's issue. Oh, the bad news. I had not used my 006 body since getting it back from Leica in 2018, following the sensor replacement, and my acquisition of the 007. I thought I would be selling it and wanted to be able to honsetly report that the 006 was unused since that repair. I never sold it. But that is not the issue. The bad news is how utterly gorgeous the rendering is out of the 006. Just one random, throw-away shot reminding me of that creamy, lusicous CCD rendering exploded years of CMOS-reinforcement therapy. Dang. Maybe I just have to keep the damn thing. Or sell them both and buy an S3, and be done with it. Like you are really ever done with it until Leica is done with you. And I am unlikely to outlive Leica. David Edited July 15, 2022 by Deliberate1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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