Popular Post SrMi Posted June 4, 2022 Popular Post Share #1 Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Fotointern recently interviewed Stefan Daniel: https://gmpphoto.blogspot.com/ Excerpts: ... it isn't ruled out that the image stabilizer could be integrated into the M at some point, for example, if we would do without the mechanical shutter and so the necessary space would be available again. So far, I haven't had any inquiries about a Video function for the M11. M stands for rangefinder – and as long as I have something to say about Leica, it will have a range finder. We examined this (Note: hybrid OVF/EVF) very intensively but came to the conclusion that one such solution firstly requires more space and secondly hardly has any practical advantages. That's why we decided on the attachable Visoflex accessory, that can also be tilted upwards by 90 degrees for extreme perspectives. Edited June 4, 2022 by SrMi 12 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted June 5, 2022 Share #2 Posted June 5, 2022 Not a word about crop formats. Aside from medium format, the market seen by Leica is divided into full frame, for pros and enthusiasts, and smartphones for casual photogs. « today's situation (...) is also relatively stable in which mirrorless full-frame segment is growing rapidly (whereas) the development at that time with the digital compact cameras went up at breakneck speed and then again as well fast down. It follows that photography is aimed at the photo enthusiasts and professionals turns, while the casual photographer who used to buy a compact camera were content with the photo and video functions in smartphones today. » Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted June 5, 2022 Share #3 Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) After M11, there will be: M11-P M11 Monochrom if we are very lucky, M11-D! M11 special editions M12 ... Edited June 5, 2022 by setuporg 3 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted June 5, 2022 Share #4 Posted June 5, 2022 My thoughts: M stands for rangefinder, true, but rangefinder does not stand for OVF. You could have a rangefinder without an OVF. After experiencing EVF on the SL2, it's quiet clear to me that an EVF is far superior than an OVF. With high-performing lenses, an OVF can not help you focus as accurately as an EVF can, specially wide open. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 5, 2022 Share #5 Posted June 5, 2022 4 hours ago, SrMi said: ... it isn't ruled out that the image stabilizer could be integrated into the M at some point, for example, if we would do without the mechanical shutter and so the necessary space would be available again. Even more strongly stated… he wanted IBIS in M11, but space was the constraint. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted June 5, 2022 Share #6 Posted June 5, 2022 vor 12 Minuten schrieb MrFriendly: it's quiet clear to me that an EVF is far superior than an OVF. You are right in many aspects. But the OVF has its advantages too. It is different, many like it therefor. And it is a monitor. vor 15 Minuten schrieb MrFriendly: With high-performing lenses, an OVF can not help you focus as accurately as an EVF can, specially wide open. This is certainly not true for wideangle lenses. And for other lenses the OVF is accurate enough - even for my Noctilux 0,95. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedd Posted June 5, 2022 Share #7 Posted June 5, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I understand the advantages of an EVF (and agree that it is the future - the pros outweigh the cons for a truly versatile system), but I would never want one in an M. In fact, apart from focusing manual glass I still miss the OVF in my old 5Diii compared to the EVF in my SL 601. EVFs feel very disconnected for me. 8 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted June 5, 2022 Share #8 Posted June 5, 2022 If the M12 incorporates IS and a video function, I will not buy it. An M12 for monochrome only, without a screen, I will be in the queue at my Friendly Local Dealer. 2 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m410 Posted June 5, 2022 Share #9 Posted June 5, 2022 M12 = Q3 + interchangeable lens. Actually, hope not... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted June 5, 2022 Share #10 Posted June 5, 2022 2 hours ago, MrFriendly said: M stands for rangefinder, true, but rangefinder does not stand for OVF. You could have a rangefinder without an OVF Yes, you could put a FOFER (that was the type of rangefinder for the Leica Standard, which had no inbuilt rangefinder) in the hotshoe of a Q - though it would be useless. You only need a rangefinder if you have an optical finder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share #11 Posted June 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Jeff S said: Even more strongly stated… he wanted IBIS in M11, but space was the constraint. Jeff It seems that we need to have a stacked sensor (fast readout) that can eliminate a mechanical shutter in order to have IBIS. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted June 5, 2022 Share #12 Posted June 5, 2022 « As the M10 came out, we considered it the perfect M, which now was supposed to be further optimized. » When I use my M10M, this is exactly what I think , still today. I don’t think I’d need anything else, in B&W, than the M10M. In color, there is maybe more space to improve, but for my use, I don’t see the need for IBIS, as I shoot mainly moving subjects (a lot of pics of toddlers!) : shutter speed and high ISO is the better answer ! Didier 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted June 5, 2022 Share #13 Posted June 5, 2022 IBIS, EVF, what else? built in handgrips too? more lighter body? move to all magnesium? gone the fancy baseplate... now some ppl trying to move sony to wetzlar stop craving for M, go with the SL, the m ecosystem is on the verge of losing its identity 14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted June 5, 2022 Share #14 Posted June 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, jakontil said: IBIS, EVF, what else? built in handgrips too? more lighter body? move to all magnesium? gone the fancy baseplate... now some ppl trying to move sony to wetzlar stop craving for M, go with the SL, the m ecosystem is on the verge of losing its identity Agree 2 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 5, 2022 Share #15 Posted June 5, 2022 Taste is difference. I dont really miss the video function but I would like to have it and see it as a real benefit. I also dont see how it does impact those people, who do not want to use it. Viewfinder - the optical rangefinder is the main reason I shoot Leica M; EVF I only need for long or ultrawide lenses. IBIS-would be nice 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knipsknecht Posted June 5, 2022 Share #16 Posted June 5, 2022 It all boils down to a balance act for Leica that is becoming more and more complicated. How can the M-system stay “modern” enough to be seen as a relevant, high quality system of cameras and lenses, and stay - at the same time - as conservative as possible regarding the die-hard fans? The M is coming from a more or less mechanical age while almost all modern technical products are based on microelectronics and software. Leica will either vanish into obscurity if holding too tight on tradition or scare away some of their customers if they incorporate more and more modern technology. To keep at least some kind of balance is a challenging task! 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 5, 2022 Share #17 Posted June 5, 2022 vor 5 Stunden schrieb m410: M12 = Q3 + interchangeable lens. Actually, hope not... . . . Q3 but with OVF plus Visoflex and without AF lenses. And as we read IBIS will come with fast readout sensors. Those sensors exist already. I would indeed go for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 5, 2022 Share #18 Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) vor 4 Stunden schrieb SrMi: It seems that we need to have a stacked sensor (fast readout) that can eliminate a mechanical shutter in order to have IBIS. Exactly. And this is on the market already and no reason why the future M will not have it. As a consequence there will be M with IBIS. Edited June 5, 2022 by M11 for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 5, 2022 Share #19 Posted June 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, Knipsknecht said: To keep at least some kind of balance is a challenging task! Yes but aside from the lack of IBIS, the M11 succeeds IMHO. When shooting at 1/2f or faster shutter speeds it has never been so easy to take high quality photos with an M camera. An M12 with global shutter and IBIS could well be the perfect rangefinder. 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 5, 2022 Share #20 Posted June 5, 2022 vor 3 Stunden schrieb didier: « As the M10 came out, we considered it the perfect M, which now was supposed to be further optimized. » When I use my M10M, this is exactly what I think , still today. I don’t think I’d need anything else, in B&W, than the M10M. In color, there is maybe more space to improve, but for my use, I don’t see the need for IBIS, as I shoot mainly moving subjects (a lot of pics of toddlers!) : shutter speed and high ISO is the better answer ! Didier Good that you formulate "I do not think that . . .". In reality things are different 😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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