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Voigtländer Nokton 50 mm F1.0 asph. VM


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vor 32 Minuten schrieb Tp2000:

Mine has just arrived too. 

Initial impressions.

  • Very well put together, I think Voigtlander have taken a step up over the last year in their production quality.
  • Focusing ring a little stiff (always find this at first with VM lenses though and they ease up a little) but once moving nicely dampened. Just over 90 degrees throw
  • Hood v nice indeed (finally, at last they include one!)
  • Aperture ring in half stops and really nice tactile clicks. I have to admit, I prefer this over Leica
  • Significantly lighter than the 0.95 and probably better balanced on a M body (personal opinion)
  • With hood, its the same length as the Nocti without hood extended

From some very quick test shots (which I won't share as they're of a v messy room) - no obvious issues with focus accuracy, no shift that I could tell. Nice rendering, obvious CA, but testing against the Nocti,  that also showed it in the same situations. 

Stuck in meetings for the rest of the afternoon so I suspect the light will have disappeared by the time I get camera back in hand again, but colour me impressed so far.

I've attached 2 photos below for you to look at. Both at close focus distance - the 0.95 Noctilux vs the VM F1. Won't tell you which is which (largely as I can't remember right now) But no processing at all apart from to crop to make them look a little more equal. 

 

(just editing this after posting: Please click in, however compression might not be making these look brilliant. I'd say that at full res, its a little harder to tell difference)

 

Difficult to say:
from the brightness of the background, I would guess 0.95 for the first Foto.
But you seem to have been nearer than in the second one. The 1.0 has a lower close-up limit. ....

Hmmm...the second one seems to be a little bit clearer


Anyway - I'm betting on the Voigtländer in the second picture....?
But the differences are actually not really visible.

 

And thanx for showing the comparison.

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1 hour ago, Mefty said:

Actually? No, I can't or better: If there is, it is not visible to me or disturbing to my eye.

 

It could be of value for me (and perhaps you and others), if you would do a test like this:

Find a suitable place with a good view and preferably uniform foreground, like a football pitch or parking area, or where you can get up high.

1) Focus at infinity or something quite far away in the center (with EVF or live view). Hold the camera perfectly horizontally / in level.* Take a picture.

2) Focus slightly shorter, just enough to get the center slightly out of focus. Take a picture with the same framing.

3) Repeat step two several times.

4) Open the images on your computer and find the image with the sharpest focus in the EXTREME SIDE.

If the image with the sharpest extreme side is the first you took, then the lens / camera combo has no reverse field curvature. If it is the second, then there is minor FC. If it is one of the later shots, there is more, and - as you can recon - the later in the series you took you find the best focus in the side, the more field curvature there is.

 

*For a field curvature torture test, you turn the camera in order to get two opposite corners along the horizon.

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22 hours ago, hiphopopotamus said:

Matt Osborne has just uploaded a review on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcT5VcZFhDA

I can’t really say I’ve noticed the vignetting to be any better or worse than other fast 50mm lenses I’ve used. 

Will upload a couple of photos later or tomorrow, but so far:

  • Rendering (if you’re needing to have a comparison to something) is modern - so more like my 0.95. but everyone had different views on this, so usual caveats apply. 
  • Sharpness is good wide open at around 1.5 metres. Certainly not into apo or summilux territory, but very good nonetheless. 
  • Handling, excellent on the M. Balances really well, it’s quite a short lens and that keeps centre of gravity nearer the body. Whereas I found my noctilux heavy after a whilst walking around with it, I can see me using this far more regularly.

So overall, after 48 hours of use, I can’t hugely complain. I’d already decided to sell my noctilux, it’s a big cost for something I was falling out of love with, however the Voigtlander f1 lens has really surprised me and used at the right time and place is I think an excellent addition to a kit. 

Is it as good as a 0.95 noctilux? Probably not if you conduct detailed technical testing. However for everyday use, I’ve struggled to see the difference between the two of them

 

Photo attached just to show centre sharpness and out of focus areas. Nothing special and no processing on this (aside from a slight saturation bump)

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2 hours ago, Sharpcontrast said:

There seems to be very low vignetting in the above image, which camera did you shoot it on and did you have a lens profile set?

Thanks

M10R. Noctilux f1. 

I haven’t played around with optimal profiles yet.

Edit: Just went back into the original RAW File and tried the 0.95 as well as the F1 profile. Can't really say either of them make any difference over a generic lens profile. 

 

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Here is another review by Bobby Tonelli on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7beDw_lbO-M

I'm still trying to get an idea of the transition from focus to blur.
Whether the lens shows something like the "3D pop" that Zeiss lenses are said to have, or the Summilux asph.

How is this in comparison to the Noctilux 0.95 (to get a better understanding on how the Nokton renders)

Maybe Tp2000 is able to tell us something about that...!?

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56 minutes ago, RalfK said:

Here is another review by Bobby Tonelli on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7beDw_lbO-M

I'm still trying to get an idea of the transition from focus to blur.
Whether the lens shows something like the "3D pop" that Zeiss lenses are said to have, or the Summilux asph.

How is this in comparison to the Noctilux 0.95 (to get a better understanding on how the Nokton renders)

Maybe Tp2000 is able to tell us something about that...!?

I’ve got a few photos that I can post later. My youngest daughter learning to walk at the moment so makes a hard but decent subject. 
 

I’ve focussed (!) mostly on using the new lens. Turns out I find comparative tests painfully boring and I don’t have the patience to meticulous recreate the same photo with 2 lenses, so thought just getting some decent photos In different light and surroundings would probably help people get a view of real world performance.
 

I’m finding sharpness is good, perhaps not exactly the same as the noctilux but without pixel peeping it’s there or thereabouts. 
 

Vignetting, again, there or thereabouts, they have done a good job here. 
 

Falloff and background. Probably doesn’t have the same pop as the noctilux (nor arguably should it on a price comparison basis) but I haven’t tested this properly yet and compared vs some “signature” type noctilux shots I’ve taken in the past.  That said, you get decent separation and I like the way it handles transitions. 
 

I’ve found one “oddity” which I will talk about later. Can’t really explain it without a photo….so I won’t try to :) (short version, how it deals with straight lines transitioning away from the plane of focus - I’ve struggled to recreate it since)  

To the comparison against the Summilux, the pop and subject separation of that wide open beats this hands down - to me it’s the best 50mm lens that leica (or anyone) do, including the apo (I know, I said it out loud!). :) 
 

Should highlight, the photos that have been posted already here do give, I think, an excellent view of what this lens is capable of and reflect what I’ve seen too. 

 

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vor 20 Minuten schrieb Tp2000:

I’ve got a few photos that I can post later. My youngest daughter learning to walk at the moment so makes a hard but decent subject. 
 

I’ve focussed (!) mostly on using the new lens. Turns out I find comparative tests painfully boring and I don’t have the patience to meticulous recreate the same photo with 2 lenses, so thought just getting some decent photos In different light and surroundings would probably help people get a view of real world performance.
 

I’m finding sharpness is good, perhaps not exactly the same as the noctilux but without pixel peeping it’s there or thereabouts. 
 

Vignetting, again, there or thereabouts, they have done a good job here. 
 

Falloff and background. Probably doesn’t have the same pop as the noctilux (nor arguably should it on a price comparison basis) but I haven’t tested this properly yet and compared vs some “signature” type noctilux shots I’ve taken in the past.  That said, you get decent separation and I like the way it handles transitions. 
 

I’ve found one “oddity” which I will talk about later. Can’t really explain it without a photo….so I won’t try to :) (short version, how it deals with straight lines transitioning away from the plane of focus - I’ve struggled to recreate it since)  

To the comparison against the Summilux, the pop and subject separation of that wide open beats this hands down - to me it’s the best 50mm lens that leica (or anyone) do, including the apo (I know, I said it out loud!). :) 
 

Should highlight, the photos that have been posted already here do give, I think, an excellent view of what this lens is capable of and reflect what I’ve seen too. 

 

Sorry - I didn't want to push you!
With young children you certainly have something else to do...:-)
I'm happy about every hint about the picture quality.
And thank you for the additional information!

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49 minutes ago, RalfK said:

Sorry - I didn't want to push you!
With young children you certainly have something else to do...:-)
I'm happy about every hint about the picture quality.
And thank you for the additional information!

Not pushing at all - testing a new lens whilst documenting the walking process for grandparents. It’s a win win :) 

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44 minutes ago, Mefty said:

 

 

 

Lovely set of shots, really do show off what this lens can do. 

 

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So, two images to start you off. 

The first one is more of a snapshot, but posting is as it is the only time I've seen something untoward in the rolloff. I've not noticed it in any other photos and in the sequence I shot (whilst follow focussing her walking along) it didn't appear again either. If you look at the side of the bench (at her shoulder height) then you can see it almost duplicate itself.

Focus in the first one is spot on the eyes (they're a little dark, so trust me :) ), in the second one I missed it ever so slightly and if you were pixel peeping, you'd see it on the back eye. 

Anyway, both of these on the m10r, shot with the Noctilux F1 profile in camera, however in Capture One I applied a generic profile. No added (or removed) vignetting aside from what the profile did, however both of them were then edited to taste. 

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And one more to show a standard portrait. Light fall off behind is rapid, so its a very dark background. I've added vignetting, however it really didn't make much difference. Slightly warmer processing to this one and an expression from the subject which suggests "put that damned lens away".

Not quite not as sharp as a Summilux (and a long way off an APO), however I think performance is excellent considering aperture and price and perfectly acceptable for my tastes. 

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1 hour ago, Mefty said:


 

Very nice colors too! Looks like you use some kind of custom profiles or presets, may I ask what they are called?

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Just received my copy of the Voigtlander 50mm F1 yesterday.

Early impressions…favorably impressed with the build quality, overall feel and handling of the lens.

It’s clearly heavier than the average M lens but still quite manageable for such a fast lens at 480g. Also for comparison its 30% lighter than Leica’s Noctilux at 700g and considerably shorter ( 55mm versus 76mm )

I find that it balances very nicely on my newly acquired M11 ( its not front heavy) and even better on an SL2. I’d go so far as to say that the size and handling on SL2 is the best of any lens I own for that camera, including SL primes.

I haven’t had an opportunity to take it out for city/street or landscape shooting, however based on test shots, I believe it more than likely will live up to the anticipation and high expectations.

It delivers a very pleasing out of focus character / bokeh with well above average sharpness wide open. Need to test it further but early indications would suggest that sharpness & micro contrast corner to corner stopped down appear to be excellent.

I purchased this lens with the clear expectation that it check multiple usage boxes.i.e. a lens that can serve as a single all purpose 50mm for portraits, low light / nighttime and landscape/cityscapes.

I will post images once I’ve had a chance to put it through its paces

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Few photos of Nokton 50mm F1.0 on M11 with grip. 

Find that the lens balances very nicely on lighter black body M11. 

Also as was mentioned in a previous post, the center of gravity feels closer to the camera which gives it a very solid compact feel.

Grip definitely helps, although I find that to be the case with all M lens, not just this heavier lens.

Focus ring on my copy at least is very smooth and not stiff at all (just right). There must be some sample variation since others have reported some stiffness, which I'm sure will resolve itself with use.

Absolutely love the lens hood. Also the fact that its reversible is huge! It would not otherwise fit comfortably in my compact camera bag were it not reversible.

 

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