Leica M11-P, when?

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I own a M10-P which I am not going to sell because I am absolutely in love with it but I like a lot the new features of the M11 and I want to buy one so I will have a second Leica body too that can be useful sometimes. The point is I prefer the "P" models for some reasons:

1. Aesthetical: I prefer not to have the Leica logo in the front but the Leica word in classic characters at the top.

2. Improvements: The "P" version will have some improvements over the "normal" one for sure (The M10-P had a better and quieter shutther and touch screen if I recall it well). 

The M10-P was launched 18 months after the M10. 

Do you think a "P" version will be launched?

More or less 18 months after the M11?

Will be a looooong waiting 🤣

Edited January 18, 2022 by Telemetric

[martinot]

Jan 2024.

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[Telemetric]

Just now, martinot said:

Jan 2024.

2 years? Was 18 months with the M10-P model...

[martinot]

Ok, perhaps the first11-P half a year earlier, and the Safari 11-P will arrive in Jan 2024. 🙂

Edited January 18, 2022 by martinot

[Jeff S]

P for patience.

Jeff

[ymc226]

Jeff is correct, patience.  I already put my name on a waitlist for the P in silver several weeks ago.  I'm the first in line.   Cant' wait 😀

[M Journey]

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Its a safe bet that there will be  P version, BP version, Safari, Reporter, and a bunch of other special editions. 

The problem with P editions is that while you are getting the 2-3 extra new features, it pales in comparison to the 10-20 new features of the new models, such as what the 11 has over the 10.  If you are the type that tends to upgrade with each new number M, getting the base model will give more satisfaction as you get to enjoy more new features when they are new.  If you tend to keep your cameras and upgrade less often, then waiting for the special edition or P models would be better.  At least that is what I would do.

The m11 is my first M camera so I didn't wait for a special edition.  I would probably wait for the m12 reporter (my favorite colorway for the M) to upgrade again unless the m12 comes with IBIS and EVF, which would force my wallet to open up day 1.

[ymc226]

1 minute ago, M Journey said:

Its a safe bet that there will be  P version, BP version, Safari, Reporter, and a bunch of other special editions. 

The problem with P editions is that while you are getting the 2-3 extra new features, it pales in comparison to the 10-20 new features of the new models, such as what the 11 has over the 10.  If you are the type that tends to upgrade with each new number M, getting the base model will give more satisfaction as you get to enjoy more new features when they are new.  If you tend to keep your cameras and upgrade less often, then waiting for the special edition or P models would be better.  At least that is what I would do.

The m11 is my first M camera so I didn't wait for a special edition.  I would probably wait for the m12 reporter (my favorite colorway for the M) to upgrade again unless the m12 comes with IBIS and EVF, which would force my wallet to open up day 1.

I tend to agree with you.  I want the benefit from the better malleable low light RAW files which is the main reason for me to upgrade.  I am on the waitlist for a regular M11 in silver and will trade it in for the M11P when available.  I did not trade in my M10 for the M10P but held off long enough for the M10R to be announced which I traded the plain M10 for.  

[Telemetric]

Do not be angry with me, but I don't like the logo on the front... 🙈 

If I can choose I prefer the P.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Telemetric

[digitalfx]

32 minutes ago, Telemetric said:

Do not be angry with me, but I don't like the logo on the front... 🙈 

If I can choose I prefer the P.

The only logo on the front is the red dot...this can be easily replaced with a black dot which is far less visible.

or...a piece of black tape  There I saved you 18 months and $1000

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[raizans]

Another nice thing about the P is that they keep their value better for when you want to upgrade.

 

And they look better (IMO), which is not a big ask when the price is so high.

[M Journey]

1 hour ago, digitalfx said:

The only logo on the front is the red dot...this can be easily replaced with a black dot which is far less visible.

or...a piece of black tape  There I saved you 18 months and $1000

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I would love a black dot to replace my red.  Does anyone have a picture of a silver M with a black dot so I can see how it looks?  Is it easy to replace the dot on the m11?

[digitalfx]

1 hour ago, M Journey said:

I would love a black dot to replace my red.  Does anyone have a picture of a silver M with a black dot so I can see how it looks?  Is it easy to replace the dot on the m11?

very simple to replace

[raizans]

Does anyone sell black dots anymore? DAG ran out years ago.

[opera207]

Duo to Covid-19, we might have to wait at least 18 months for a 11-p, and duo to the inflation, we might have to pay usd 2,000 or higher to get one.

So it is a good idea to buy a m11 two or three months later, there are lots of problems on the first batch m11.

Edited January 19, 2022 by opera207

[ymc226]

15 hours ago, raizans said:

Does anyone sell black dots anymore? DAG ran out years ago.

DAG (Don) stated Leica would let let him sell the black dot anymore.  You can buy a red dot, scrub away the red paint in acetone and respray it any finish of black, then gently with a block of sandpaper, sand away the paint on the Leica script.  I've made several this way and will replace my red dot with a black one.  

[FrozenInTime]

We need to give early adopters time to shout about any really annoying shortcomings, and functionality Leica passed over in the rush to release the plain M11; once these are fixed, it's time to buy the M11-P.

[paulholland27]

I'm seriously toying with the idea of getting an M11, I really like the improved micro detail im seeing in the images that are floating around but really finding it difficult to let go of my black M10P which, for me is the perfect looking digital M. II know this sounds mental but has anyone found a screw head that would replace the red dot? First world problems i know but...

[charlesphoto99]

My prediction is that Leica will skip intermediate versions of the M11. It's a bit like admitting the original model was somehow incomplete or flawed. I could be entirely wrong of course. 

 

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[Kwesi]

10 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

My prediction is that Leica will skip intermediate versions of the M11. It's a bit like admitting the original model was somehow incomplete or flawed. I could be entirely wrong of course. 

 

As in no P, no M, no D versions?

My crystal ball says they are on their way in the next 18-24 months.