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Survey: Are you planning to buy the new Leica M11?


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Leica M11 Survey  

611 members have voted

  1. 1. Are you planning to buy the new Leica M11?

    • Yes, already as good as pre-ordered
      137
    • Probably yes, got to check my savings
      66
    • I'm still waiting for reviews and first hand experiences
      87
    • Thanks, I'll stick with my M10....
      216
    • Other opinion (please comment below)
      104


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13 minutes ago, AndrewDD said:

A lot of "purists" didn't like the 240, and it seems that they don't like the M11. That would suggest that it might be the next camera for me.

It’s the same story all over every time a new M comes out, those that can’t swing it, will always find something to complain  about and and park themselves in the so called purist camp. The Math is simple it is the best digital rangefinder they have made and it costs a lot of money.  

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I’m not sure. Primary reason to buy would be the electronic shutter. (For totally silent operation.) Though it depends on how bad rolling shutter issues are. What are the chances of a future M camera with a global shutter?

 

The way the new M11 has been designed makes it look like it was intended to be an EVF / live view camera first. With the OVF rangefinder being an addition to this foundation.

 

It wouldn’t be too difficult to imagine a scenario where the underpinnings of the M11 could form the foundation of a range of new mirrorless cameras. New EVF bodies with M mount, L mount or fixed lens (Q etc.)

 

I wonder if the M11 could be an exercise in consolidation? Sharing technology, components and accessories across future EVF / mirrorless product lines.

 

When the M9 was first launched it was an easy decision to purchase one. At the time no other company offered a camera with a 35mm sensor in such a small package. It was amazing to have that image quality in such a compact digital camera. One that was also very simple and intuitive to use, with access to a fantastic range of lenses. The majority of which were compact optical marvels.

 

As time has moved on there are now many other digital options offering great performance in a compact package. Although lenses have got bigger. And each subsequent iteration of the digital M has also introduced trade-offs in technology, design and function. With the promise of something new always on the near horizon.

 

The result is a state of constant choice paralysis with digital cameras. I chose to step back a bit from the technology race. My answer was an M-A and a Texas Leica instead of a new digital M.

 

Happy to watch the world go by until something impossible to ignore signals the start of a new epoch.   

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What I like most is the buzz surrounding the new M! It's a given that's it's the best digital Leica M iteration to date ( perhaps arguably so). Like it wasn't overly obvious but some reviewers seem drive that point out at nauseam, which I find funny. From a photography perspective as pointed below the M11 won't make anyone a better photographer. Lol. But seeing this mainly a gear forum I enjoy the techie side of things and love the discussions / reviews!

 

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6 hours ago, sebben said:

Are you taking images in the hospital?

I have been following your photography since the early RFF days when you were posting images from Iraq and Afghanistan. I always found them to be emotionally engaging as well as hauntingly beautiful so I’m quite sure you would make a powerful photo project on the subject of Covid.
 

Even without the M11. 

Sadly no. I don’t think there are good “enough” images coming from within Covid units, at least none I’ve seen. And those that do exist, they certainly do not represent what Covid means for those who have contracted, lived, survived, and yes, died from it. Our televisions are filled with static images of patients intubated, rarely nothing more. But past the big network agenda, there are some awful complications brought on by the disease that no one sees. 
 

I’m glad you appreciated the Iraq images… they have become volumes for all of us to discuss into the future. 

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5 hours ago, aksclix said:

I hope I’ll be around when they make a Leica M43… would be fun to see a Leica sporting an M43 sensor 🤓

I would love a M43 camera with a real rangefinder. Consider the size of Olympus Pen-F and consider how Fujifilm fit a window finder in X100. I am a fan of the system but can't stand how difficult it is to achieve a good focus with the EVF and autofocus of their (Olympus/Panasonic) cameras.

Leica made that 4/3 DSLR in Panasonic collaboration.

 

As to the poll,

I'm still waiting for reviews and first hand experiences. I have my reservations about things such as shutter lag and shutter feel and how those sRAW/mRAW files look in action. In all likelihood I will stick with my loved silver chrome MP240 (and its brother, black MP240). Reading these very critical issues about M10R or M11 make me consider these expensive cameras very carefully, and M10P is not enough upgrade. I guess I am stuck! :D
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9 hours ago, Artin said:

It’s the same story all over every time a new M comes out, those that can’t swing it, will always find something to complain  about

Possibly…although also a little bit of the bias of ‘Self Justification’ playing out on both sides….may be?

What’s for sure is the M11 enhances usability but the added convenience doesn’t measure highly on my radar so, although admiring the achievement,  it’s a no. What would gain my interest would be if the B/W output from the M11 matches/ comes close to my M10M. The thought of having just one M camera which combines the M10r and M10M capabilities would be ideal with the enhanced usability of the M11 a bonus.

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10 hours ago, Artin said:

It’s the same story all over every time a new M comes out, those that can’t swing it, will always find something to complain  about and and park themselves in the so called purist camp. The Math is simple it is the best digital rangefinder they have made and it costs a lot of money.  

Everyone had a different wish list for the next M (excluding those who think the M9/M240/M10 is already the pinnacle of perfection).  It’s understandable some people would feel let down after years of anticipation if they didn’t get what they hoped for.

I really don’t think it’s about whether someone can swing it, and more about whether the improvements are worth the changeover cost and balancing any downsides. 
 

 

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vor 44 Minuten schrieb harmen:

My wife has been asking repeatedly over the past few days if I would buy one.  She also kept suggesting suitable times to swing by the nearby Leica store.  Then yesterday she expressed surprise I had not yet purchased it.  I finally caved in today, walked over, and placed an order.

Maybe she wants to get her hands on your previous M body ?

 

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22 hours ago, Reciprocity said:

And that is ok, those of us who are actual photojournalists can indeed see using it in high stakes / high stress situations. 

Well, I might have been a bit on the edge with that commentary there, I admit – yet my point being that Leica is slowly moving towards being "up to speed" with the competition, rather than sticking to its heritage. And by that I mean this paired-down, ruggedness in combination with excellent quality. They have their other lines of cameras which can perfectly cover the whole nitty-gritty technical specs, such as immediate access via smartphone etc. The M series has a history stemming form the analogue, photojournalism era. And that is not implying that it should abandon technological progress, rather than it should embrace this more "no-need-to-cover-all-bases" approach…

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1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

With the majority of voters decidnig not to buy in the minute results it seems to me that Leica built a damn good camera with the M10 + its iterations.

Technically, 34.83% is a "plurality." The largest segment when there are more than two choices.

A "majority" means ">50%."

Nevertheless I agree the M10 (even the plain-vanilla version) is a pretty powerful machine.

I could stick with the plain M10s forever - IF Leica came out with a 135mm f/2.0 Summicron-M that the rangefinder could focus - APO optional ;)

Until then, well I like to shoot 135 closeups of musicians at work in dark ratskellers, or fast-moving riots at night, and so on and so forth. Can't be limited to what "the masses" want or need.

Need a little more light-gathering capability, whether through aperture or ISO. Ideally without "wasting" drive space (no matter how cheap it is).

The M10 can handle that sometimes - but it is right on the ragged edge.

Police & Teargas, 2020, M10, 135 Tele-Elmar f/4.0, ISO 10000, ~half-frame crop from horizontal image

 

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1 minute ago, adan said:

Technically, 34.83% is a "plurality." The largest segment when there are more than two choices.

A "majority" means ">50%."

Thanks for the clarification. English is not my first language and I do appreciate constructive input towards learning it better.

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For me the question is twofold (and coloured entirely by my status as a full-time frrelance phtographer).

Firstly, do I really need any advantages that a new camera offers?

Secondly, what is the cost of ownership over the predicted lifespan which I would anticipate the camera to have (for me)? Which ties in to the first in many ways.

About the only real advantage the M11 genuinely offers me is the increased MPixels, but I already have a camera of 40+ MPixels and rarely need to take advantage of even these, so the second has to be sufficiently low to make the advantage reasonavly cost-effective. At the price I'm afraid that the M11 simply does not make enough sense to be viable. It would make much more sense for me to invest in a lightly used M10 model.

 

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12 minutes ago, pgk said:

Secondly, what is the cost of ownership over the predicted lifespan which I would anticipate the camera to have (for me)? Which ties in to the first in many ways.

Quite right. I  budget for about $1000 per camera per year of service, and an assumed service life of up to 10 years.

My M9s just about met that standard ($6995 each at time of purchase: served for 7+ years, late 2009 to early 2017) - even despite the corrosion issue.

The M10s certainly could (surprisingly, just $6600 at time of purchase, since I adopted early).

I'm pretty sure each M11 I might get could serve 9 years - still waiting to see what it can get away with, ISO-wise, and at the various resolutions/file-sizes (I count having to buy additional storage as part of the "cost of ownership." ;) ).

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Just ordered the M11 from a local dealer who has 1 M11 (black) in his showroom.... after reading feedbacks, watching youtube and the attempt to persuade me that the M10R is all i need :-))  After all i decided to want the newest  version..... Leica-Marketing convinced me :-)))  My bank account will suffer 😬

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