SrMi Posted January 12, 2022 Share #61 Posted January 12, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 minutes ago, tightsqueez said: Just use the new half baked electronic shutter… but let me introduce you to your new friend; rolling shutter effect. How would electronic shutter help with motion blur? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tightsqueez Posted January 12, 2022 Share #62 Posted January 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, SrMi said: How would electronic shutter help with motion blur? I believe the reference was to the well documented issue with M10M and M10R. You know… the one where the shutter offers its own shake built in? Lloyd Chambers has highlighted this issue quite a bit. I was skeptical until owning the M10M and the M10R. It’s definitely there and not a matter of increased megapixels. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #63 Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, tightsqueez said: I believe the reference was to the well documented issue with M10M and M10R. You know… the one where the shutter offers its own shake built in? Lloyd Chambers has highlighted this issue quite a bit. I was skeptical until owning the M10M and the M10R. It’s definitely there and not a matter of increased megapixels. That is shutter shock, not motion blur. Motion blur is caused by using a too low shutter speed, while the camera is not stable. IBIS can help with motion blur but not with shutter shock. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightsqueez Posted January 13, 2022 Share #64 Posted January 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, SrMi said: That is shutter shock, not motion blur. Motion blur is caused by using a too low shutter speed, while the camera is not stable. IBIS can help with motion blur but not with shutter shock. I still think the reference was to the shutter issue. But things do get lost in translation on the forum. If that’s the case; You cannot fix “motion blur”, aka subject movement at a lower shutter speed. It’s a matter of physics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted January 13, 2022 Share #65 Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Daedalus2000 said: I commented about this in the other thread Steven and maybe you missed it, but be careful with the electronic shutter. It has to scan a high resolution sensor, it will not be fast so you may get rolling shutter effects and/or banding. Try it on a moving subject and you will see. This is 100% true and I definitely experienced this on my A7R4 which supposedly uses the same sensor. Electronic shutter was great for things like landscape photography, but terrible for everything else (kids, sports, street, people, etc). There is no way I could fix to fix it in post as far as I know. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #66 Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Artin said: No shutter blades opening and closing their fore reduces vibration You are talking about shutter shock not motion blur as it is commonly understood. Edited January 13, 2022 by SrMi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightsqueez Posted January 13, 2022 Share #67 Posted January 13, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just now, Crem said: This is 100% true and I definitely experienced this on my A7R4 which supposedly uses the same sensor. Electronic shutter was great for things like landscape photography, but terrible for everything else (kids, sports, street, people, etc). There is no way I could fix to fix it in post as far as I know. I think this feature will be great for landscapers, which I think M camera has become. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #68 Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, tightsqueez said: I still think the reference was to the shutter issue. But things do get lost in translation on the forum. If that’s the case; You cannot fix “motion blur”, aka subject movement at a lower shutter speed. It’s a matter of physics. Yes, there is that motion blur too 😄. The topic was motion blur caused by camera, not subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #69 Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, ppkarppi said: I do not personally respect people who get paid to post pro-Leica reviews on this or any other forum. It looks like you get some personal gain to post this. Do you have any names? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thejoon Posted January 13, 2022 Share #70 Posted January 13, 2022 Thanks for sharing! How about shutter feeling&sound? Same as M10 or M10P? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightsqueez Posted January 13, 2022 Share #71 Posted January 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, SrMi said: Yes, there is that motion blur too 😄. The topic was motion blur caused by camera, not subject. I’m going take some dimenhydrinate now. 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppkarppi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #72 Posted January 13, 2022 A long time Leica photographer just published a video on Youtube about the Leica M11 that is titled "Leica sucks...". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #73 Posted January 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, ppkarppi said: A long time Leica photographer just published a video on Youtube about the Leica M11 that is titled "Leica sucks...". Was discussed in the “other” thread. He completed the sentence in the video: Leica sucks money out of your wallet. 😕 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted January 13, 2022 Share #74 Posted January 13, 2022 I think the title of this thread should say "newest", not "best". For "best" the next question is "best for whom?" The word "best" is for advertising, not people trying to decide what they think about a new product, based on what they plan to do with it. IMHO. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted January 13, 2022 Share #75 Posted January 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, ppkarppi said: A long time Leica photographer just published a video on Youtube about the Leica M11 that is titled "Leica sucks...". This is the same photographer that claims to be a paranormal expert and sells a paranormal communicator. Please be careful with anything he says. https://huffparanormal.com 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppkarppi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #76 Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, SrMi said: Was discussed in the “other” thread. He completed the sentence in the video: Leica sucks money out of your wallet. 😕 haha, watch the complete video, that's not all he said. You might want to watch the entire video if you are thinking about buying Leica M11. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted January 13, 2022 Share #77 Posted January 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, ppkarppi said: haha, watch the complete video, that's not all he said. You might want to watch the entire video if you are thinking about buying Leica M11. So you dont respect people who have the camera and post their impressions, but you promote a clickbait video from a guy who does not have the camera and makes a video about it to make money.... I hope you see the irony 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #78 Posted January 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, ppkarppi said: haha, watch the complete video, that's not all he said. You might want to watch the entire video if you are thinking about buying Leica M11. I did watch it earlier. There is nothing relevant said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matted Posted January 13, 2022 Share #79 Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, SrMi said: I did watch it earlier. There is nothing relevant said. Sounds like a Steve Huff video…… 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppkarppi Posted January 13, 2022 Share #80 Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, SrMi said: I did watch it earlier. There is nothing relevant said. Wow, you must be a big Leica sockpuppet then. Well, I don't mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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