Stef63 Posted January 13, 2022 Share #41 Posted January 13, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) No gps. Gps functionality in M11 is via Fotos app. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikeMyers Posted January 13, 2022 Share #42 Posted January 13, 2022 Sad news for me. I gain a more attractive shape, but lose image quality, and lose GPS. Thanks for saving me $600+ for something I would soon end up returning. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted January 13, 2022 Share #43 Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said: Well, I'm thinking now might be a good time to pick up a used 020 for the rare times I might need one. I was thinking of doing the same thing, but I've read about the eye cup rubber piece breaking and not being a replaceable part. That's why I've been waiting for the new version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueIn2Red Posted January 13, 2022 Share #44 Posted January 13, 2022 FWIW my 020 is still like new after five years of fairly regular use. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trequartista Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share #45 Posted January 13, 2022 I can't believe it does not bring any benefit compared to the old one. Looking forward to the first reviews of it on a M10! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monther Posted January 13, 2022 Share #46 Posted January 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Photoworks said: Camera Compatibility M11 M10 (with future firmware update; only 2.4MP viewing resolution available) I'm going to take a guess that the answer will be the same, 'only 2.4MP viewing resolution available' but does anyone know for sure where the M10-R stands in this compatibility? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueIn2Red Posted January 13, 2022 Share #47 Posted January 13, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, it’s an M10… 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monther Posted January 13, 2022 Share #48 Posted January 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, BlueIn2Red said: Well, it’s an M10… It's not entirely is it, what with it having a different sensor which seems kinda pertinent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted January 14, 2022 Share #49 Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, focusbyhand said: This is from a Leica FAQ document and is disappointing for M10, M10-P, M10-R users: “Does the M11 Visoflex 2 work on the M10? Yes, but this requires a camera FW update. This is expected to be available in mid-March. The M10 will then be able to run the Visoflex 2, but only at the 2.4 megapixel resolution available in the M10. This will result in a slightly smaller viewfinder image in comparison to the use at the M11.” I believe this is from an FAQ from Dave Gallagher @ CI. he could be probably right. But it would be nice to read an official statement from Leica on this. Edited January 14, 2022 by rramesh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusbyhand Posted January 14, 2022 Share #50 Posted January 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, rramesh said: I believe this is from an FAQ from Dave Gallagher @ CI. he could be probably right. But it would be nice to read an official statement from Leica on this. The FAQ quote that I shared in post 22 is from an official Leica document given to USA dealers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 14, 2022 Share #51 Posted January 14, 2022 3 hours ago, focusbyhand said: The FAQ quote that I shared in post 22 is from an official Leica document given to USA dealers. I assume that is the same FAQ as displayed at the bottom of this article: https://www.captureintegration.com/the-new-leica-m11-camera-release/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strohscw Posted January 14, 2022 Share #52 Posted January 14, 2022 I am very happy with my M's (M10M and M10R), they have everything I need. The only thing I was and am dissatisfied with is the EVF. So I was happy to hear that the new viewfinder will be backwards compatible. But then yesterday I read that the viewfinder should be compatible but only reduced to 2.4 MPx should work. My disappointment was accordingly great, since I know that this would be technically easy to implement via a corresponding firmware adjustment and obviously a marketing decision to give the M11 a head start. Dear Leica people, should this come so then I would be very disappointed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted January 14, 2022 Share #53 Posted January 14, 2022 59 minutes ago, strohscw said: I am very happy with my M's (M10M and M10R), they have everything I need. The only thing I was and am dissatisfied with is the EVF. So I was happy to hear that the new viewfinder will be backwards compatible. But then yesterday I read that the viewfinder should be compatible but only reduced to 2.4 MPx should work. My disappointment was accordingly great, since I know that this would be technically easy to implement via a corresponding firmware adjustment and obviously a marketing decision to give the M11 a head start. Dear Leica people, should this come so then I would be very disappointed! Unless you need the power of a Maestro III to get the full resolution at an acceptable refresh rate to the EVF. Firmware would not be able to change the hardware limitations the slower processor might have. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
overexposed Posted January 14, 2022 Share #54 Posted January 14, 2022 18 hours ago, BlueIn2Red said: According to the Leica UK store website, yes. All M10s. The lower resolution/smaller image thing is a killer for me though, very disappointing. indeed but i guess it has to do with the maestro III processor in the M11, the maestro II might not be powerful enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas_M10 Posted January 14, 2022 Share #55 Posted January 14, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb overexposed: indeed but i guess it has to do with the maestro III processor in the M11, the maestro II might not be powerful enough So you have to buy a M11 for your Visoflex 2 🤣 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 14, 2022 Share #56 Posted January 14, 2022 According to Jono, « There is still some 'black out' after shooting. and so it isn't quite so good for continuous shooting as the Q2 ». Any info about that black out? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted January 14, 2022 Share #57 Posted January 14, 2022 The best news from today is that it finally works with mounted thumb support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 14, 2022 Share #58 Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, strohscw said: But then yesterday I read that the viewfinder should be compatible but only reduced to 2.4 MPx should work. My disappointment was accordingly great, since I know that this would be technically easy to implement via a corresponding firmware adjustment... Uh... If you buy a 4K TV and your dvd only outputs 1080P, unless the TV uplevels (which it will) you get 1080P right? I'm sure there is little to no smarts in the V2, certainly not the ability to properly scale. If, the display chip on the M10 maxes out at 2.4 MPx and cant natively support the 3.7, you're out of luck as there is zero likelihood that an M10 has either the horsepower or free memory space to do upscaling at any acceptable refresh rate. I'm sure if it was as simple as recognizing the display properties and setting a different resolution output on the chip, they would. So I don't know, but I seriously doubt theres anything that can be done that would result in an improvement over the original. I suspect the point in offering backward compatibility was to a) to end 020 production by offering a single one size fits all solution and b) make a different form factor available that was less clunky. Edited January 14, 2022 by Tailwagger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted January 14, 2022 Share #59 Posted January 14, 2022 I don’t get the backwards compatibility story here. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to make the M11 also compatible with the Visoflex 020 - albeit with less resolution than the new Visoflex 2 - than the other way around like Leica decide now? 1) For those people migrating from a M10 to an M11 who only sometimes use an EVF but have invested in the old 020 it would have been nice if they could keep the older model and use it on their new camera… and only migrate to the new EVF is their is a need for. 2) On the other hand if the newer EVF is downscaled to the same resolution on an M10 (whatever model) camera like the old 020 what is the benefit of acquiring the new EVF? I might miss it but I do not see it. My guess is that from a user and owner perspective 1) is more beneficial than 2) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 14, 2022 Share #60 Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, lct said: According to Jono, « There is still some 'black out' after shooting. and so it isn't quite so good for continuous shooting as the Q2 ». Any info about that black out? I'd like to hear as well. I don't have a Q2, but I'd like to compare it to the CL. And it won't have the resolution of the SL2, but what about refresh, lag and low light performance? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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