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3 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

S3 and M10-R share the same sensor tech. The M11 is more like the GFX 100S, IMO.

While they likely share the basic technology, the sensor toppings and the firmware are likely completely different 

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1 hour ago, SrMi said:

While they likely share the basic technology, the sensor toppings and the firmware are likely completely different 

Big change between these generations of sensors that transcends that, namely FSI (M10-R/S3) to BSI and a redesigned IR/UV topping (M11). M11 and S3 don't share anything other than the Leica name and the same oversight to the pipeline. If anyone is seeing a similarity between the S3 and M11, it's because the S lenses render a lot like M lenses do.

M11 and GFX 100S are nearly impossible to tell apart at base ISO when the GFX is used in 35mm crop mode with GF lens and an M APO is used on the M11.

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8 hours ago, hdmesa said:

Big change between these generations of sensors that transcends that, namely FSI (M10-R/S3) to BSI and a redesigned IR/UV topping (M11). M11 and S3 don't share anything other than the Leica name and the same oversight to the pipeline. If anyone is seeing a similarity between the S3 and M11, it's because the S lenses render a lot like M lenses do.

M11 and GFX 100S are nearly impossible to tell apart at base ISO when the GFX is used in 35mm crop mode with GF lens and an M APO is used on the M11.

I agree- however the Fuji with Fuji glass is delivering far less (if any) chromatic aberration in high contrast areas....something I hope Leica address in future firmware upgrades....

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb hdmesa:

...M11 and S3 don't share anything other than the Leica name and the same oversight to the pipeline. If anyone is seeing a similarity between the S3 and M11, it's because the S lenses render a lot like M lenses do

Color has more to do with the filter and the color management rather than the sensor architecture. Leica product specialist John Kreidler mentions at around 36:00 that M11 colors are reminiscent of S colors and at around 53:50 "That's one thing I would bring out about the M11, the camera captures the color that I see. And it's the first time, in a long time other than MF like an S3 that I'm really getting that same color reproduction."

I have an S3 and had an M10-R. Gave the M10-R back. Color in untouched DNGs was nothing like the S3 colors.

 

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8 hours ago, PeterGA said:

I agree- however the Fuji with Fuji glass is delivering far less (if any) chromatic aberration in high contrast areas....something I hope Leica address in future firmware upgrades....

Maybe compared to a regular M lens but not the CV APOs. Maybe I don't push them far enough to notice 🤷‍♂️ Other lenses like the 28 Lux have always had purple fringing in high contrast light when overexposed – the M11 just lets you zoom in closer, so the fringing appears more pronounced. It's also way easier to make a well-corrected large lens for 44x33 than a very small lens for full frame.

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3 hours ago, Chaemono said:

Color has more to do with the filter and the color management rather than the sensor architecture. Leica product specialist John Kreidler mentions at around 36:00 that M11 colors are reminiscent of S colors and at around 53:50 "That's one thing I would bring out about the M11, the camera captures the color that I see. And it's the first time, in a long time other than MF like an S3 that I'm really getting that same color reproduction."

I have an S3 and had an M10-R. Gave the M10-R back. Color in untouched DNGs was nothing like the S3 colors.

 

Falls under what I said about "oversight to the pipeline", and I defer to you since you own an S3. I still think a BSI S4 (if it uses the scaled-up M11 sensor as is used in the GFX 100S) will look more like the M11 than the S3 does, but we can't know that yet :)

With the GFX system, there was a huge change in image aesthetic between FSI (50S/R) and BSI (100/100S) even though Fujifilm is quite deliberate in keeping their film sims exactly the same across systems and sensors. My M10-R images reminded me of my GFX 50S/R images – My M11 images are impossible to tell apart from my my 100S images outside of resolution and ratio.

Does sound like we agree that the M10-R and M11 images are quite different.

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25 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Maybe compared to a regular M lens but not the CV APOs. Maybe I don't push them far enough to notice 🤷‍♂️ Other lenses like the 28 Lux have always had purple fringing in high contrast light when overexposed – the M11 just lets you zoom in closer, so the fringing appears more pronounced. It's also way easier to make a well-corrected large lens for 44x33 than a very small lens for full frame.

Yes the bigger the lens size the easier to make them work well as we also see  in the L mount Summicron apos - dont have any issues with fringing...

Interesting you refer to the Voigtlander apos? - I have ordered a 50 apo lanther and a 28 and will be testing....my favourite 50 the Nocti can be a horror show in certain lighting situations - the 21SEM no problems - I will also be testing a 24 lux soon.

 

 

 

 

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vor einer Stunde schrieb hdmesa:

Falls under what I said about "oversight to the pipeline", and I defer to you since you own an S3. I still think a BSI S4 (if it uses the scaled-up M11 sensor as is used in the GFX 100S) will look more like the M11 than the S3 does, but we can't know that yet :)

With the GFX system, there was a huge change in image aesthetic between FSI (50S/R) and BSI (100/100S) even though Fujifilm is quite deliberate in keeping their film sims exactly the same across systems and sensors. My M10-R images reminded me of my GFX 50S/R images – My M11 images are impossible to tell apart from my my 100S images outside of resolution and ratio.

Does sound like we agree that the M10-R and M11 images are quite different.

Probably not.

vor 20 Stunden schrieb hdmesa:

S3 and M10-R share the same sensor tech. The M11 is more like the GFX 100S, IMO.

M11 color is similar to S3 color, GFX 100S color is not similar to S3 color, therefore, M11 is not like GFX 100S. GFX 100S colors look very Sony-like to my eyes. https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2021/05/lensrentals-com-reviews-the-fujifilm-gfx-100s/  GFX 100S produces same skin tones as α7R IV https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/10/a-studio-photographers-review-of-the-sony-a7r-iv/ 

Skin tones in Matt Granger’s S3 sample portraits (DNG download available here https://mattgranger.com/gear-talk/item/1285-medium-format-dslr-leica-s3) look more like M11 skin tones IMO.

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