Voigtlander 50mm f/1 VM

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21 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

Indeed. It is by far the cheapest Noctilux out there.

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Yes. The question is if this is right or wrong, given that neither the English, nor the Japanese site says anything about floating elements. I find this odd. Usually, if some feature isn't mentioned, you can be sure it isn't there. So why isn't it mentioned on Cosina's own sites? 

The drawing doesn't show floating lens elements, either. I am guessing the German info is wrong, but hoping it's correct.

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1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Yes, in 1976.

The current £10,000 noctilux can only focus from 1 m  in 2021.

[jdlaing]

5 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

The current £10,000 noctilux can only focus from 1 m  in 2021.

As it should.

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19 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

As it should.

I was responding to critical comment about the upcoming voigtlander lens only focusing to 0.9m that was all.

Not sure what you mean by "as it should" though?

[jdlaing]

12 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

I was responding to critical comment about the upcoming voigtlander lens only focusing to 0.9m that was all.

Not sure what you mean by "as it should" though?

Leica M was designed to have a close focus with their lenses of about 1 meter. The newer lenses focusing closer with live view and an add on evf are a bonus if that’s what you want. I am used to the  one meter distance having used them for so long.

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36 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Leica M was designed to have a close focus with their lenses of about 1 meter. The newer lenses focusing closer with live view and an add on evf are a bonus if that’s what you want. I am used to the  one meter distance having used them for so long.

But the 50mm f0.95 was designed in 2008 by peter karbe [ i believe] when many lenses were already able to focus at 0.7m .

The 50mm summicrom version 5 for example is a 1979 lens much older than the current noctilux but able to focus from 0.7m.

Edited December 10, 2021 by steve 1959

[jdlaing]

1 hour ago, steve 1959 said:

But the 50mm f0.95 was designed in 2008 by peter karbe [ i believe] when many lenses were already able to focus at 0.7m .

The 50mm summicrom version 5 for example is a 1979 lens much older than the current noctilux but able to focus from 0.7m.

Yet here we are at one meter. 

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4 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Yet here we are at one meter. 

I was defending the voigtlander close focus of 0.9 by pointing out that the modern karbe noctilux only gets as close as 1m that was all.

I guess there are technical reasons why modern super fast lenses have mediocre close focus although the TT artisans copy of the noctilux does actually get as close as 0.7m.

Anyway the new upcoming voigtlander is an interesting lens,especially as it has a very compact design.

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Released Jan2022...Should we postpone Christmas presents on ourselves haha....I should of been Buddhist lol

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45 minutes ago, cboy said:

Released Jan2022...Should we postpone Christmas presents on ourselves haha....I should of been Buddhist lol

Trouble is voigtlander seem to bring out an m mount lens of great interest every other week!! 

But father christmas can only be bothered to turn up once a year!

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vor 11 Stunden schrieb LarsHP:

Yes. The question is if this is right or wrong, given that neither the English, nor the Japanese site says anything about floating elements. I find this odd. Usually, if some feature isn't mentioned, you can be sure it isn't there. So why isn't it mentioned on Cosina's own sites? 

The drawing doesn't show floating lens elements, either. I am guessing the German info is wrong, but hoping it's correct.

Good news - the floating elements design has been confirmed through CameraQuest / Fred Miranda. 👍

[Photon42]

Somehow I know I want one, even though the minimal focus distance seems 90cm only and the thing seems large. That is maybe the most expensive Voigtländer to date, so given the recent lens development from that company, I am expecting a more modern and very solid performance. I doubt it will draw like the 50/1.2. They have something similar (+-) to the 50/1.2 with their Heliar.

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Photon42

[a.noctilux]

As long time 50 Noctilux 1.0 user, I can confirm that using F/1 closer than 1.5m is working to have trouble.

Only new users would use this F/1 setting (under 1.5m wide open) then complain that the expensive Leica lens is not up to their expectations.

So having the F1 for RF M lens under 1m focus is bonus of course, but only marketing for me ( I can do what Leica can not ).

0.9m is fine and reasonable from Voigtlander, if using closer than that Liveview is a must, in this case Elpro or M ring ( as limited OUFRO ) can be used closed down !

[LarsHP]

 

1 hour ago, Alexander-HH said:

Good news - the floating elements design has been confirmed through CameraQuest / Fred Miranda. 👍

Yes. I just saw it in that thread this morning. So why on earth didn't Cosina write it in the Japanese and English description? This is really odd. To be honest, I am a bit hesitant regarding a final conclusion whether it actually has floating lens element design, as long as Cosina doesn't say it themselves. The German description at https://www.voigtlaender.de/objektive/vm/50-mm-11-nokton/ is the only official page that claims it so far, but even the video on that very page doesn't mention FLE.

Edited December 11, 2021 by LarsHP

[FrozenInTime]

The 62mm filters size seems a lot more manageable than 72mm of the old Canon lens I first envisaged it looking like.

Head to head comparison with the Leica 50/0.95 is inevitable ; the Voigtlander seems to have the size and weight advantage ; we need sample images now to determine how much time has eroded Leica's supremacy.

[a.noctilux]

Concerning floating elements, I have my opinion ;

- benefit from this difficult design is very small ( in my use of course ! )

- this is a fragile moving device, needing care in use and may break or out of alignment more frequently than fix elements

- I had Summilux-M 50 asph. (FLE) which was not reliable enough that now I use the 50 non-asph. instead

- my wife's Apo-Summicron-M 75mm (great lens) is more difficult (for me ) to have consistent images at all distances

- some aberrations are corrected but some others (CA for example) are bigger depending on the distance, this is not manageable for me.

Edited December 11, 2021 by a.noctilux

[Photon42]

29 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

As long time 50 Noctilux 1.0 user, I can confirm that using F/1 closer than 1.5m is working to have trouble.

Only new users would use this F/1 setting (under 1.5m wide open) then complain that the expensive Leica lens is not up to their expectations.

So having the F1 for RF M lens under 1m focus is bonus of course, but only marketing for me ( I can do what Leica can not ).

0.9m is fine and reasonable from Voigtlander, if using closer than that Liveview is a must, in this case Elpro or M ring ( as limited OUFRO ) can be used closed down !

Salut Arnaud - one if these things one can probably argue forever. I would not go so far to say it is marketing only. I can focus my 1.1/50 well most of the times at 1m, and a little bit closer should work, too. And then. there is always the Visoflex. I am probably more concerned that the rangefinder coupling is dead on with that lens.

Amicalement - Ivo

[cboy]

17 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said:

The 62mm filters size seems a lot more manageable than 72mm of the old Canon lens I first envisaged it looking like.

Head to head comparison with the Leica 50/0.95 is inevitable ; the Voigtlander seems to have the size and weight advantage ; we need sample images now to determine how much time has eroded Leica's supremacy.

I hope it lives to expectations given the price will be more than any voigtlander m lens to date and verges onto leica price territory.

If voigtlander continues with this path of continually creating system of m lenses then i think it warrants voigtlander to consider creating a systems camera to suit.

But since its only rival would be leica, which is already a niche market, i believe it needs to expand to the L mount and service a larger audience.

An L mount system rangefinder would be something. Perhaps partner with epson/ricoh? I know a pipe dream, but nice to consider what ifs...lol

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[a.noctilux]

12 minutes ago, Photon42 said:

Salut Arnaud - one if these things one can probably argue forever. I would not go so far to say it is marketing only. I can focus my 1.1/50 well most of the times at 1m, and a little bit closer should work, too. And then. there is always the Visoflex. I am probably more concerned that the rangefinder coupling is dead on with that lens.

Amicalement - Ivo

 

Hello Ivo,

You are right that focussing range closer would not heart,

as it should with FLE elements may be better.

 

I think that the longer ramp may be necessary, so bigger/longer lens then.

Edited December 11, 2021 by a.noctilux