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[LarsHP]

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Short comment, since this is getting progressively off-topic:

Regarding lens corrections in RAW files in general, the "problem" appears to be the RAW processor software (Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw) much more than the file itself. When I use my Nikon Z camera with a Sony FE lens (with a smart adapter), the resulting distortion looks very different in Adobe and other software (like ViewNX-i and DxO PhotoLab). In current Adobe Photography CC, the (wrong!) lens profile is forced; no way to remove it.

So, I am quite sure it isn't the DNG file itself, but limitations made by Adobe.

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[Adam Bonn]

And back on topic my 50/1 was just delivered.

And in about 54 hours and 2000 kilometres time it will be in my hands 🙂🙂🙂

(no it’s not actually taking that long to travel that far, I just don’t leave yet 😂)

edit: jinx alert, it better not take that long to travel that far….

Edited January 26, 2023 by Adam Bonn

[Adam Bonn]

52 minutes ago, LarsHP said:

So, I am quite sure it isn't the DNG file itself, but limitations made by Adobe.

Sorta sounds like how adobe is reacting to whatever info is in the RAW file to me…

With DNG the RAW arrives full of tags and info that adobe asked the camera maker to put in the RAW with no real space for stuff it didn’t 

with other proprietary RAW formats the file is full of whatever Nikon/Sony/etc decided it needed and depending upon the degree of info sharing (to adobe from the OEM) adobe has had to reverse engineer it.. 

 

[M Street Photographer]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb Adam Bonn:

Sorta sounds like how adobe is reacting to whatever info is in the RAW file to me…

With DNG the RAW arrives full of tags and info that adobe asked the camera maker to put in the RAW with no real space for stuff it didn’t 

with other proprietary RAW formats the file is full of whatever Nikon/Sony/etc decided it needed and depending upon the degree of info sharing (to adobe from the OEM) adobe has had to reverse engineer it.. 

 

Adam it's less about the question of the RAW converter, even if this is important in the overall context, and much more about how far Leica intervenes in the RAW's or changes. It is acceptable for information to be sent, even if its use in LR cannot simply be switched off.
In my opinion, lens corrections are not applied in the camera to RAW's from Leica, but the information is "sent".
The corrections in the camera are only applied to the jpegs.

[M Street Photographer]

I can imagine the other parameters of LR being applied, such as exposure, contrast, colors, because if you load a RAW into a RAW converter and it looks horrible, neither Leica nor LR want that. This problem already existed. Leica intervened and introduced changes together with Adobe.

I also think that raw converters interpret the raw images differently.
I once compared LR and C1 in this context and I liked the C1 RAW better. All import parameters were manually set to 0 in both programs.

[Adam Bonn]

45 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

Adam it's less about the question of the RAW converter, even if this is important in the overall context, and much more about how far Leica intervenes in the RAW's or changes. It is acceptable for information to be sent, even if its use in LR cannot simply be switched off.

DNG is a standard, in order to manufacture DNG one must adhere to the standard or else one has manufactured a faulty DNG or something completely different.

Adobe is geared to using DNG, they invented it and LR/ACR are DNG spec driven image pipelines.

38 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

I can imagine the other parameters of LR being applied, such as exposure, contrast, colors, because if you load a RAW into a RAW converter and it looks horrible, neither Leica nor LR want that. This problem already existed. Leica intervened and introduced changes together with Adobe

Yes because Leica are effectively adobe's customer (you used to get a free LR with your Leica, then some months CC, these days I don't know)

The OEMs that shoot not DNG, let's pick Fuji that shoots RAF, RAF is not something that has to adhere to the DNG spec. Fuji X-Trans files were crap in adobe for a very long time. This is because adobe's DNG pipeline and Fuji's propriety RAW didn't play nicely together.

Look at Lars example above, a RAW file crated with Nikon propriety RAW, shot with a Sony lens mated to the Nikon with a smart adapter doesn't play nicely in the DNG pipeline

42 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

I once compared LR and C1 in this context and I liked the C1 RAW better. All import parameters were manually set to 0 in both programs.

Stuff goes on under the hood.....

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The red line is what C1 applies to your RAW as default, the (curvy) dotted line is what adobe applies as default. Ergo C1 is so much better with pop and contrast etc etc it will be, it has a mammoth contrast tone curve that you didn't ask for!

(yes can select a different TC in C1 save it as default etc)

 

55 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

The corrections in the camera are only applied to the jpegs.

I suspect this is true for the M (and it's probably only (sic) corner shading if it's not) and that's great news

[M Street Photographer]

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Thanks Adam for the tone curve, now I understand why C1 pops more. Well, you can set it to linear when importing, then it looks a bit dull.
Adobe DNG and Leica, as well as Ricoh DNG, are not the same even if they share the same name. Was this a topic 7 years ago? years here, if I remember correctly, in connection with the M9.
Ultimately, the dispute between Sony, Fuji and Leica has not been fully resolved as to who is doing what and how much in the camera with the RAWs.

Basically, I would expect the RAW's to remain untouched in the camera, but whether this is the case will ultimately remain a well-kept secret.

[M Street Photographer]

@Adam Bonn , 

I'm sorry I can't spare you. You're still waiting for the VC 50 1.0. 🤔
I ordered the VC 21 1.8 Ultron, albeit needed, because I've had the 50 1.0 for a while. 😁
Today I got it 🤭 and the first quick photos, as always of my tested cats (the weather here is cruel, you almost don't want to get out of bed), inspire me. Let's see when I come to a meaningful test.

[Adam Bonn]

48 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

Thanks Adam for the tone curve, now I understand why C1 pops more. Well, you can set it to linear when importing, then it looks a bit dull.
Adobe DNG and Leica, as well as Ricoh DNG, are not the same even if they share the same name. Was this a topic 7 years ago? years here, if I remember correctly, in connection with the M9.
Ultimately, the dispute between Sony, Fuji and Leica has not been fully resolved as to who is doing what and how much in the camera with the RAWs.

Basically, I would expect the RAW's to remain untouched in the camera, but whether this is the case will ultimately remain a well-kept secret.

all cameras producing DNG will have to implement the DNG spec, but of course all beef lasagnes don't taste the same even if they all have beef and pasta and red and white sauce... 

34 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

@Adam Bonn , 

I'm sorry I can't spare you. You're still waiting for the VC 50 1.0. 🤔
I ordered the VC 21 1.8 Ultron, albeit needed, because I've had the 50 1.0 for a while. 😁
Today I got it 🤭 and the first quick photos, as always of my tested cats (the weather here is cruel, you almost don't want to get out of bed), inspire me. Let's see when I come to a meaningful test.

Ahaha it's fine, happy for you.

Happy for me too!!!

Me yesterday:

Hey it's Adam, you are in all day tomorrow right? There's a parcel I've sent to your house

Person:

Sure, except out between 12:00 and 14:00

DHL email this morning

your delivery window is 12:40 to 13:40

Me:

🙄 ****ing typical

But it actually got delivered at 11:54 😅

So now I wait...

I have the zeiss 21 but it's a fight between that and the 90mm summarit to see which I use the least 😁

I think no matter which app we have and which lens we are using we have the tools to make nice pictures and that's what's important

[M Street Photographer]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb Adam Bonn:

I have the zeiss 21 but it's a fight between that and the 90mm summarit to see which I use the least 😁

I think no matter which app we have and which lens we are using we have the tools to make nice pictures and that's what's important

I rarely need it, mostly indoors, so it's used.
What I rarely if ever use is an adapted CZJ Sonnar 4/135 with Exacta bayonet. Not tragic was a gift, a collection liquidation.

[M Street Photographer]

Hi @Adam Bonn , Did you get the VC?

[Adam Bonn]

9 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

Hi @Adam Bonn , Did you get the VC?

It’s physically delivered but I won’t get my hands on it until tomorrow at about 19:30ish CET, it’ll be Sunday before I can really use it (weather permitting)

[M Street Photographer]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb Adam Bonn:

It’s physically delivered but I won’t get my hands on it until tomorrow at about 19:30ish CET, it’ll be Sunday before I can really use it (weather permitting)

How do you stand it? There have been marriage divorces when the man wasn't at home and the woman didn't accept the package. Every time I expect a lens I cancel all appointments on the day of delivery, monitor life tracking and tip the postman upon delivery.
The package is then immediately unpacked and a few photos are quickly taken of the experienced and highly qualified cat model.😁

[Adam Bonn]

2 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

How do you stand it? There have been marriage divorces when the man wasn't at home and the woman didn't accept the package. Every time I expect a lens I cancel all appointments on the day of delivery, monitor life tracking and tip the postman upon delivery.
The package is then immediately unpacked and a few photos are quickly taken of the experienced and highly qualified cat model.😁

I’m not in the same country as the lens right now, but (barring catastrophic consequences) tomorrow I will be

It was delivered yesterday, so all I have to do is travel.

But when I arrive it’ll be dark (I’m hoping with a clear sky so that I can check that it coincides a star/the moon at infinity in the RF like ALL my Leica lenses) I’ll be tired and hungry so bar some kitschy test shot shit around the house it’ll have to wait until Sunday until I can shoot something, probably gravestones in the local churchyard, where I’ll be isn’t exactly a sprawling metropolis 😂

I have remembered to pack the 62mm ND filter that I already owned though, let’s hope the weather is such that I actually need it 😁

[M Street Photographer]

vor 20 Minuten schrieb Adam Bonn:

...I have remembered to pack the 62mm ND filter that I already owned though, let’s hope the weather is such that I actually need it 😁

No lame excuses, it's late, it's dark, you've got an f1 lens.
Here I would be grateful if it weren't raining, it was cold and there was an icy wind. In Berlin we have east Wind - a gift from Putin 😁

Edited January 27, 2023 by M Street Photographer

[M Street Photographer]

@Adam Bonn,

Unfortunately I can't save you one more time:
The 1.4 viewfinder has just arrived, although DHL has been on strike for 2 days. I already have the adapter for the M10 R and when it is earm it will be mounted immediately.
This makes focusing with the rangefinder a lot easier, especially at close range, wide open 1.0 and also with telephoto lenses at 75 and 90 mm.

[Adam Bonn]

I think you're more excited than me 😅

I'm still about still about 26 hours away... 

I've got a fairly reasonable hit rate with 50/1.4, MFD is a bit more difficult for me as I suspect 0.7m is when I should be using my reading glasses 

Of course f1 is a brave new world.. 

I sure hope the CV matches my RF ok as my expectation is to only use the EVF for super critical focusing and framing.. 

Well I'll have an answer soon enough.. 

[M Street Photographer]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb Adam Bonn:

I think you're more excited than me 😅.. 

Something yes, because I have it and you appreciate it very quickly.
Interestingly, today I tested the 50 1.0 with f 1.0 at different distances, with the viewfinder magnifier x 1.4. So I no longer need the Visoflex for close-ups!
Because then I only use Visoflex for uncoupled adapted lenses.

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[Adam Bonn]

4 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

Something yes, because I have it and you appreciate it very quickly.
Interestingly, today I tested the 50 1.0 with f 1.0 at different distances, with the viewfinder magnifier x 1.4. So I no longer need the Visoflex for close-ups!
Because then I only use Visoflex for uncoupled adapted lenses.

My suitcase is packed now so I’m getting excited! I’ve also got the Bresson/Parr “”collaboration”” book waiting for me too

Can one still see the 28mm framelines with the x1.4? My eyesight is still relatively good, except I need x1 reading glasses now

Re the 50/1 I’m most excited for when I get back in a week and get to use it in my (adopted) home town where there is much to photograph!

[M Street Photographer]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb Adam Bonn:

....Can one still see the 28mm framelines with the x1.4? My eyesight is still relatively good, except I need x1 reading glasses now...

Yes, the focus field is considerably larger and therefore more accurate focusing is possible.
If you have the time and desire, please visit Berlin, then you can test everything and I'll be happy to show you "my Berlin". A gold mine, especially for street, you get everything from soft to hardcore.