ynp Posted November 4, 2021 Share #21 Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok. Up to Leica to decide if they continue the CL Line or not. For me it means that I will keep my CL for as long as I can. It will be added to my collection of obsolete and brilliant cameras killed by Leica or with their participation: Sinar-M, Sinar/Rolleiflex Hy6, M5. I am pretty sure that Leica will kill the S DSLR soon as well and it will be a classic in the future. I don don’t know if the CL deserves to be named a classic, but I know that it was loved by many. Edited November 4, 2021 by ynp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kim Dahl Posted November 4, 2021 Share #22 Posted November 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, EUSe said: Leica are a small company and cannot do everything, so very often plans have (and had) to be abandoned in order to survive. There is a worldwide interest in full frame cameras, they know it and will calculate the cost. More and more Asia is playing a role and some camera models do not sell as well as we may be thinking. This does not mean that the CL is/was a bad camera. It's really sad 😢. And I mean that right down to the heart. ❤️. Because that means my (in the longer term) goodbye to L Mount. But nice that there now is a finally a concrete meeting where it has been said. Right now, I actually do not know what I am doing. I'm happy with my M but I'm getting older and believed the L Mount (TL) and my M lenses. SL I think is for a completely different audience than me. To Big. For that, I switched to Canon RF. And just have to say it's a really good system 😢😢 Tanks for the info. I had such a hope it was not right. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted November 4, 2021 Share #23 Posted November 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, jaapv said: Yes-but the CL is in the core of their historical design philosophy: small camera, big images. It is even proportioned like a Barnack camera. Everyone says Leica is a small company and needs cash to survive! But this is exactly a good reason to keep CL. It is a fantastic camera and extremely popular. I am sure, it brings a good amount of cash to Leica. Many photographers cannot afford a M system and are not interested in rangefinders; and SL system is not cheap either. But CL is just right for almost everyone as a prime camera or a backup. 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 4, 2021 Share #24 Posted November 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Louis said: Everyone says Leica is a small company and needs cash to survive! But this is exactly a good reason to keep CL. It is a fantastic camera and extremely popular. I am sure, it brings a good amount of cash to Leica. Many photographers cannot afford a M system and are not interested in rangefinders; and SL system is not cheap either. But CL is just right for almost everyone as a prime camera or a backup. You are absolutely right. However, two members here have been to the meeting and heard that Daniel has said that they are not developing on CL2. And if they are not already running, the race is over. Development and testing takes a long time. I probably will not sell my TL lenses because if they make a FF SL with many MP I will not rule out - it could be something. I will never buy a large SL with zoom etc. I think well we can stop dreaming more about a CL2 and small TL’s Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Markey Posted November 4, 2021 Share #25 Posted November 4, 2021 I feel the same as everyone else does about the CL . It would seem that apart from the M everything else is disposable 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2021 Share #26 Posted November 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: It's really sad 😢. And I mean that right down to the heart. ❤️. Because that means my (in the longer term) goodbye to L Mount. But nice that there now is a finally a concrete meeting where it has been said. Right now, I actually do not know what I am doing. I'm happy with my M but I'm getting older and believed the L Mount (TL) and my M lenses. SL I think is for a completely different audience than me. To Big. For that, I switched to Canon RF. And just have to say it's a really good system 😢😢 Tanks for the info. I had such a hope it was not right. Exactly what I was saying: The camera sales are not the only parameter. Keeping your customers within your brand is essential as well. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted November 4, 2021 Share #27 Posted November 4, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) This means that Panasonic, or most likely Sigma, can step up and design a CL-like camera - rangefinder styled, full frame most likely (though, look at what Nikon has done with their Zfc), IBIS. I purchased my CL as I wanted a more up-to-date X2. That niche has now been filled by Ricoh's brilliant GR3 and GR3x. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Markey Posted November 4, 2021 Share #28 Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jaapv said: Exactly what I was saying: The camera sales are not the only parameter. Keeping your customers within your brand is essential as well. Its odd isn`t it because they appear to put a lot of effort into keeping people in the club . More than they do the technical stuff its this idea of a close knit group which is at the center of their marketing strategy. That`s the entire pitch of their advertising and their YouTube channels and yet don`t feel any qualms about pulling the rug out from under us when it suits. Edited November 4, 2021 by Michael Markey 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2021 Share #29 Posted November 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Michael Markey said: I feel the same as everyone else does about the CL . It would seem that apart from the M everything else is disposable And we don’t even know what the M11 will be like… 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 4, 2021 Share #30 Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, jaapv said: Exactly what I was saying: The camera sales are not the only parameter. Keeping your customers within your brand is essential as well. Exactly - they lose loyal - very loyal - customers. I have been a Leica fan for over 35 years! I have not lost confidence in their M and Q system. But I dare not touch anything else right now. It is simply too expensive. Nor can I recommend my colleagues to start in the Leica world. Maybe a Q but otherwise not. I really feel now as when one's football team has lost a very important match 😢 😢 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Markey Posted November 4, 2021 Share #31 Posted November 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: Exactly - they lose loyal - very loyal - customers. I have been a Leica fan for over 35 years! I have not lost confidence in their M and Q system. But I dare not touch anything else right now. It is simply too expensive. Nor can I recommend my colleagues to start in the Leica world. Maybe a Q but otherwise not. I really feel now as when one's football team has lost a very important match 😢 😢 I`m afraid I never recommend to friends that they should buy a Leica and I`ve been a Leica user since about `84. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2021 Share #32 Posted November 4, 2021 Being in the same position: since 1976. I’m not out of Leica, but I see no future purchases this way. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 4, 2021 Share #33 Posted November 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Michael Markey said: I`m afraid I never recommend to friends that they should buy a Leica and I`ve been a Leica user since about `84. Very few also buy Leica. In the old days with the leica M6, many of us had and used our M professionally. Today I only see Q users. They have bought a Q2 for their "work" and can also use it privately. Then the camera can be deducted in tax and that may make some sense. I've just been a “little more Leica fan” ☺️📷 - talking warmly about my love for Leica. I do not believe the love disappears - because I am a trained photographer with Leica as the camera my boss used. Maybe my age makes me get hard by using my leica M and then there's just Q left. No it's a bad camera it's just not a system camera. I burned my fingers on L Mount. sad 😢 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUSe Posted November 4, 2021 Share #34 Posted November 4, 2021 vor 49 Minuten schrieb jaapv: Yes-but the CL is in the core of their historical design philosophy: small camera, big images. It is even proportioned like a Barnack camera. It would be logical to replace it by a similar design and form in full frame in the case that you describe. The miniaturization of the last years should make that possible, even if it would mean some restrictions like no IBIS. Suddenly the SL would have a compact entry level cousin. Set the MP count high enough to offer >20MP TL lens compatibility. I agree and this is also what I concluded from Daniel‘s talk - FF is the future and they understand our wish for a small and compact camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted November 4, 2021 Share #35 Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, satijntje said: Just to finish a few dreams: Leica has stated that there will be no CL2. APS-c market was very disappointing and this will not be further explored. These were the words of Mr Daniel in October 2021 at a talk in Wetzlar. 1 hour ago, EUSe said: If we are talking of the September (!] event at Wetzlar, both John and I were there. I can confirm that Daniel said that no decision was made to continue the CL system and apologized. Well thank you both. Shame, I was more interested in the CL/APS-C line than anything else from Leica at this point. Sounds like it really is time to move on to other brands. Really unfortunate. Edited November 4, 2021 by gotium 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2021 Share #36 Posted November 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, EUSe said: I agree and this is also what I concluded from Daniel‘s talk - FF is the future and they understand our wish for a small and compact camera. I should bdy well hope so. They invented the concept 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Markey Posted November 4, 2021 Share #37 Posted November 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Kim Dahl said: Very few also buy Leica. In the old days with the leica M6, many of us had and used our M professionally. Today I only see Q users. They have bought a Q2 for their "work" and can also use it privately. Then the camera can be deducted in tax and that may make some sense. I've just been a “little more Leica fan” ☺️📷 - talking warmly about my love for Leica. I do not believe the love disappears - because I am a trained photographer with Leica as the camera my boss used. Maybe my age makes me get hard by using my leica M and then there's just Q left. No it's a bad camera it's just not a system camera. I burned my fingers on L Mount. sad 😢 My fingers are hurting too 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 4, 2021 Share #38 Posted November 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, EUSe said: I agree and this is also what I concluded from Daniel‘s talk - FF is the future and they understand our wish for a small and compact camera. Yes, but honestly. … If they only start thinking about it now. When - if ever - do we see anything in the market? My advice now - (I can not wait 5/7 years) there is ONLY Leica M and Q left if you are for a smaller camera. For everything else, buy another brand that has more security for the developer on its products. SORRY Leica I'm so negative - but right now I'm just SO disappointed 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted November 4, 2021 Share #39 Posted November 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, EUSe said: I agree and this is also what I concluded from Daniel‘s talk - FF is the future and they understand our wish for a small and compact camera. So the question then is do they have a compact FF camera in the works that would fulfill the interests of the CL/TL owners? Presumably they stopped CL development after they launched the last TL lens, so one hopes that 4 years on that new camera is ready for launch. CL owners have already nicknamed it "FFS"... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUSe Posted November 4, 2021 Share #40 Posted November 4, 2021 Gerade eben schrieb gotium: Well thank you both. Shame, I was more interested in the CL/APS-C line than anything else from Leica at this point. Sounds like it really it time to move on to other brands. Really unfortunate. I don‘t know. Blame the pandemic and global economical crisis. I am both keeping the CL and TL lenses (and keep using them) for what they can do and swapped to a different brand because of the things the TL system can‘t do as well. They all have their pros and cons. I never succeeded in convincing anybody to buy a Leica - mostly a price tag problem, I think. I feel like a traitor! For me it is the choice between an object that I like to use and touch and the colours I prefer on one hand and very good AF and reliable stabilisation plus low light usability on the other hand. Size also matters, but a light-weight mirrorless with a 24-105 mm zoom may be easier to carry than a CL with handgrip and a 35 mm Summilux TL, not to speak of the focal range. In the end it comes down to the question which images you prefer. A question of the heart, if I may say so. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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