Simone_DF Posted February 28, 2022 Share #41 Posted February 28, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, Dopaco said: An M8 or M9 would give a better result. I highly doubt it. The M9 is unusable above iso 640. The Pixii, thanks to its BSI sensor, is on another level. Probably the M10 is competitive enough, sensor wise, and in that case other factors come into play (body size, operating speed, etc) but I'd take a Pixii even over a M240 any day 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GLAUMAX Posted February 28, 2022 Share #42 Posted February 28, 2022 I really like the fact that you can have a nicely built rangefinder, with an innovative optical viewfinder, with a top APS sensor which is compact and only weights 460g. I contacted the company and the CEO answered to my questions on a saturday in only one hour. Incredible. They are planning to drastically improve the camera with the next firmwares. I find the price reasonable for a niche product. Even if I really like M8 and M9, they are only usable at low isos, make a lot of noise and are not lighter or more compact than a modern M camera. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 28, 2022 Share #43 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, GLAUMAX said: drastically improve the camera with the next firmwares. Any hints as to the nature of the improvements? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 1, 2022 Share #44 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) Isn't it too restrictive ? Only 28mm (42mm) as the widest and 50mm (75mm) as the longest. 35mm (52.5mm) and 40mm (60mm) in between. Viewfinder has only 53.6° of field of view instead of 75.4°on any 0.72x M rangefinder. What is the eye relief, can we even see the 28mm frame lines with glasses ? Effective base length is 49.2mm same as 0.72x M rangefinder hopefully So no wide angle nor telephoto field of view with Pixii. Leica has nothing too fear, as long as people wants to use real 28mm, 35mm or 90mm field of view. Some eminently classical M focal lengths by the way Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 1, 2022 by nicci78 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324900-pixii-complementary-or-competition-merged/?do=findComment&comment=4392925'>More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2022 Share #45 Posted March 1, 2022 Apparent confusion between EBL (effective base length) and MBL (mechanical base length) here. As far as EBL is concerned, the Pixii (32.96mm?) should stand in-between Epson R-D1 (38.20mm) and Minolta CLE (28.77mm). No problem to focus 12mm to 50mm lenses except 50/0.95 and 50/1 then, at least in theory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted March 1, 2022 Share #46 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, lct said: Apparent confusion between EBL (effective base length) and MBL (mechanical base length) here. As far as EBL is concerned, the Pixii (32.96mm?) should stand in-between Epson R-D1 (38.20mm) and Minolta CLE (28.77mm). No problem to focus 12mm to 50mm lenses except 50/0.95 and 50/1 then, at least in theory. Not to mention that my Leica M4-2 has 35-50-90-135 framelines and that does not limit nor render incapable my ability to use 10, 15, 21, 28, 43, and 75 mm lenses on it. I just pop an accessory optical finder into the accessory shoe and frame with that, or just guesstimate framing since I know the FoV coverage of all my lenses very well. Critical focus for ultra-fast, macro, and long tele lenses ... well, that's what SLRs and EVF cameras are best at, and why they were invented. Why sweat that a compact RF camera isn't the best at those things? G Edited March 1, 2022 by ramarren Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2022 Share #47 Posted March 1, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 minutes ago, ramarren said: Not to mention that my Leica M4-2 has 35-50-90-135 framelines and that does not limit nor render incapable my ability to use 10, 15, 21, 28, 43, and 75 mm lenses on it. I just pop an accessory optical finder into the accessory shoe and frame with that, or just guesstimate framing since I know the FoV coverage of all my lenses very well. Critical focus for ultra-fast, macro, and long tele lenses ... well, that's what SLRs and EVF cameras are best at, and why they were invented. Why sweat that a compact RF camera isn't the best at those things? G You're preaching to the choir . R-D1 user here. It's just that Pixii seems to have confused EBL for MBL at some stage, i don't know why. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted March 1, 2022 Share #48 Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, lct said: You're preaching to the choir . R-D1 user here. It's just that Pixii seems to have confused EBL for MBL at some stage, i don't know why. Perhaps a translation error..? No matter, it's easy to measure the rangefinder mechanical base length and calculate the effective base length since the latter is just a combination of the MBL and the viewfinder magnification. Easy peezy. 😇 G 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 1, 2022 Share #49 Posted March 1, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 3:47 PM, Simone_DF said: The M9 is unusable above iso 640. I must be doing something wrong, with correct exposure I had no trouble shooting my M240 at ISO 2500. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 2, 2022 Share #50 Posted March 2, 2022 19 hours ago, jaapv said: I must be doing something wrong, with correct exposure I had no trouble shooting my M240 at ISO 2500. M240 != M9 But anyway, you can use it even at higher iso if you wish, but results will be highly different and you will definitely see much more noise compared to a newer generation sensor. Personally I wouldn't use a M9 not even for free. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 2, 2022 Share #51 Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, lct said: Apparent confusion between EBL (effective base length) and MBL (mechanical base length) here. As far as EBL is concerned, the Pixii (32.96mm?) should stand in-between Epson R-D1 (38.20mm) and Minolta CLE (28.77mm). No problem to focus 12mm to 50mm lenses except 50/0.95 and 50/1 then, at least in theory. EBL depends of Pixii viewfinder magnification. Covering only 42mm at best, it can be 1x magnification. If mechanical base length is 49.2mm x1 = 49.2mm EBL. Can an owner of Pixii measure the mechanical base length ? (the red line on the photo) and tell us if the viewfinder is lifelike with both eyes open = 1x magnification. If viewing is smaller = inferior to 1x magnification, something like 0.91x for example. If viewing is bigger than real life = superior to 1x magnification, something like 1.1x Sadly Pixii did not provide those basic informations. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 2, 2022 by nicci78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324900-pixii-complementary-or-competition-merged/?do=findComment&comment=4393474'>More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 2, 2022 Share #52 Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) Leica M8 with its APS-H sensor still provide more useful range : 24mm (32mm) 28mm (37mm) 35mm (46.5mm) 50mm (66.5mm) 75mm (100mm) 90mm (120mm) 32mm to 120mm (3.75x range) is way better than 42mm to 75mm (1.78x) Pixii should have accommodate those framelines too : 18mm (27mm) 21mm (31.5mm) 24mm (36mm) 75mm (112.5mm) to be really useful. Edited March 2, 2022 by nicci78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 2, 2022 Share #53 Posted March 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, nicci78 said: EBL depends of Pixii viewfinder magnification. Covering only 42mm at best, it can be 1x magnification. If mechanical base length is 49.2mm x1 = 49.2mm EBL. The Pixii's VF magnification is not 1x but 0.67x according to Pixii specs. The Pixii's EBL calculation should then be 49.20mm MBL x 0.67 VF mag = 32.96mm EBL as i suggested above but i may be wrong. What is sure is MBL and EBL are not the same thing but you know this already of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 2, 2022 Share #54 Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: EBL depends of Pixii viewfinder magnification. Covering only 42mm at best, it can be 1x magnification. If mechanical base length is 49.2mm x1 = 49.2mm EBL. Can an owner of Pixii measure the mechanical base length ? (the red line on the photo) and tell us if the viewfinder is lifelike with both eyes open = 1x magnification. If viewing is smaller = inferior to 1x magnification, something like 0.91x for example. If viewing is bigger than real life = superior to 1x magnification, something like 1.1x Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The window at the left (start point of the arrow) is the luminosity window. More to the right is the rangefinder window (the lighter one). See: https://www.cameraquest.com/leica.htm The base distance on my IIIf is 39mm. The rf magnifies 1.5 times, so the effective base is 58,5mm. Edited March 2, 2022 by jankap 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 2, 2022 Share #55 Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, lct said: The Pixii's VF magnification is not 1x but 0.67x according to Pixii specs. The Pixii's EBL calculation should then be 49.20mm MBL x 0.67 VF mag = 32.96mm EBL as i suggested above but i may be wrong. What is sure is MBL and EBL are not the same thing but you know this already of course. Just wait someone having the Pixii to confirm. Otherwise 0.67x VF with 42mm effective field of view is very small. And even more disappointing. Especially with 49.2mm base length Why on earth there is no way to try it in a store in Paris ? It is a french company for god sake. Edited March 2, 2022 by nicci78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 2, 2022 Share #56 Posted March 2, 2022 RF Baselength x Magnification = 49x0.76 = 37.24 which is about twice the EBL of the CL. For all practical purposes, this is good enough for me. The contrast of the RF is good and I can focus the thing very well even with the wrong glasses on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 2, 2022 Share #57 Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, pop said: RF Baselength x Magnification = 49x0.76 = 37.24 Are you sure it is 0.76? Just curious as the Pixii specs say otherwise (0.67). Enough to focus most lenses between 16mm and 50mm anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 2, 2022 Share #58 Posted March 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, nicci78 said: a store in Paris All the store owners in Paris anxiuously follow this thread and none dare ordering one because of all the bean counting going on here. It's a new kind of camera. It's at least in the same league as the original CL, even if it has no framelines for 75mm or 90mm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 2, 2022 Share #59 Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, lct said: Pixii specs say otherwise (0.67) You're right, of course. I mistyped. RF Baselength x Magnification = 49×0.67 = 32.83 Original CL: 18.9 according to https://www.cameraquest.com/leica.htm Sorry for the silly mistake. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 2, 2022 Share #60 Posted March 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Otherwise 0.67x VF with 42mm effective field of view is very small. And even more disappointing. Especially with 49.2mm base length By comparison, the film CL's EBL is 18.90mm (31.50mm x 0.60). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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