Loving the monochrom

[mondvi60]

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[Stokkie]

That’s a wonderful photo, even on my phone, with lots of gradation between black and white. I’m thinking about getting one, aside from blowing out the highlights are there any drawbacks? 

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[nwphil]

Fixed lens, 28mm FL, price, useless  app, only takes b&w pictures - and no, I won't  selling you mine 

[nwphil]

20 hours ago, Stokkie said:

That’s a wonderful photo, even on my phone, with lots of gradation between black and white. I’m thinking about getting one, aside from blowing out the highlights are there any drawbacks? 

on a serious note: @ FredMiranda website's there is at least one listed that might be interest you, if you don't mind used

It's a specialized tool - that alone can be drawback. I see more pluses, and blowout highlights can actual work well - they simply can't be worked with (aka recovered)

Despite having AF, it's not simply a snap-shot gizmo. Can be set to almost fully manual, even focusing aids taken out/turned off, but still is not an RF camera. I do have a Olympus Pen F, and yes, does have both b&w jpeg film mode, and a raw b&w -  the rendering it's not at Q2M level,  after all still is a m43 color sensor with only 24mb.. The experience of handling  and shooting  with the Q2M is far superior imo, and feels somewhat familiar with a regular M.

 

Search in this forum for related topics about getting a Q2M - everyone has a different feeling and reasoning about it, but might help with you decision and justifications

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by nwphil

[Stokkie]

2 hours ago, nwphil said:

on a serious note: @ FredMiranda website's there is at least one listed that might be interest you, if you don't mind used

It's a specialized tool - that alone can be drawback. I see more pluses, and blowout highlights can actual work well - they simply can't be worked with (aka recovered)

Despite having AF, it's not simply a snap-shot gizmo. Can be set to almost fully manual, even focusing aids taken out/turned off, but still is not an RF camera. I do have a Olympus Pen F, and yes, does have both b&w jpeg film mode, and a raw b&w -  the rendering it's not at Q2M level,  after all still is a m43 color sensor with only 24mb.. The experience of handling  and shooting  with the Q2M is far superior imo, and feels somewhat familiar with a regular M.

 

Search in this forum for related topics about getting a Q2M - everyone has a different feeling and reasoning about it, but might help with you decision and justifications

 

Thanks for your reply. I’m in the UK, so there aren’t many, if any in the second hand market yet. I do have a film rangefinder, a Fuji X-pan. I have a Ricoh GR which I can set to black and white. I’m not sure I can justify a digital M, as I’d probably use one lens. I’ve seen some excellent photos with a strong graphics design. As you say it I specialist tool. Ive not seen much buyers remorse! 

[Steven]

Does anyone know if the Q2M competes with the M10M in the low light performance ? Or the M10M is still king ? 

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31 minutes ago, Steven said:

Does anyone know if the Q2M competes with the M10M in the low light performance ? Or the M10M is still king ? 

Just about the same

[Kreeshp]

44 minutes ago, Steven said:

Does anyone know if the Q2M competes with the M10M in the low light performance ? Or the M10M is still king ? 

Steven - check out this bench test:
https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2021/02/bw-iso-showdown-2021-leica-q2-monochrom-vs-m10-monochrom-vs-q2-vs-m10-r/

Summary: M10M is the king, but barely:  the M10M beats the Q2M by about 1/3-stop;  Q2M ideal maximum ISO: 25000, M10M ideal maximum ISO: 32000

I have a Q2M paired to a M10-P and love mine.  The tonality of the greys and the ability to shoot in near dark conditions is stunning.  It is in these near dark conditions that I find I need the autofocus as I can't see well enough to operate manual focus in the dark.  It is in this specific shooting scenario that I find the Q2M has the advantage over the M10M.

IMO, the main reason one would want a M10M over a Q2M is if one already has an assortment of lenses that one wants to shoot with in monochrome.  For my style of shooting though, I am happy to shoot with the Q2M's autofocus in the native 26-28mm focal length and crop as needed.  I also subscribe to the notion that you don't want to tie up money in digital Leica bodies so for nearly the equivalent performance as the M10M, it makes better sense - to me - to get the less expensive Q2M and put the savings towards glass for my M camera.

[Steven]

17 minutes ago, Kreeshp said:

It is in these near dark conditions that I find I need the autofocus as I can't see well enough to operate manual focus in the dark.  It is in this specific shooting scenario that I find the Q2M has the advantage over the M10M.

Interesting point. Thanks for sharing all this. I appreciate your time. 

[Herr Barnack]

7 hours ago, Kreeshp said:

Steven - check out this bench test:
https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2021/02/bw-iso-showdown-2021-leica-q2-monochrom-vs-m10-monochrom-vs-q2-vs-m10-r/

Summary: M10M is the king, but barely:  the M10M beats the Q2M by about 1/3-stop;  Q2M ideal maximum ISO: 25000, M10M ideal maximum ISO: 32000

I have a Q2M paired to a M10-P and love mine.  The tonality of the greys and the ability to shoot in near dark conditions is stunning.  It is in these near dark conditions that I find I need the autofocus as I can't see well enough to operate manual focus in the dark.  It is in this specific shooting scenario that I find the Q2M has the advantage over the M10M.

IMO, the main reason one would want a M10M over a Q2M is if one already has an assortment of lenses that one wants to shoot with in monochrome.  For my style of shooting though, I am happy to shoot with the Q2M's autofocus in the native 26-28mm focal length and crop as needed.  I also subscribe to the notion that you don't want to tie up money in digital Leica bodies so for nearly the equivalent performance as the M10M, it makes better sense - to me - to get the less expensive Q2M and put the savings towards glass for my M camera.

An ideal maximum ISO of either 25,000 or 32,000 is a monumental benefit, particularly in light of the fact that my M-P 240 shows too much noise for printmaking at ISO 1600.

I'm not sure how much of a benefit the Q2/Q2M's extra 7 mp is compared to the M10/M10M, but it can't hurt, particularly if you want to make larger exhibit quality prints.

I have the Q2 and it has become my go to color camera unless I need to use a longer lens.  The Q2 makes me think about getting a Q2 Mono, even though I have an M10 Mono. 

[hdmesa]

8 hours ago, Steven said:

Does anyone know if the Q2M competes with the M10M in the low light performance ? Or the M10M is still king ? 

The M10M tests slightly better, but in real-world use, you will never notice the difference. And they are both light years ahead of a color sensor in low light.