Ktsa5239 Posted September 6, 2021 Share #1  Posted September 6, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was so happy when my APO35 arrived, but my heart sank when I found a big speck of dust inside the first element as well as I opened the cap. I've emailed the dealer and they said they will contact Leica to see how to proceed with this. I decided to use a macro lens to take better photos of the dust, thats when I realised, the glue work is very sloppy and theres a gap which looks very strange. None of this seems to affect the IQ but I only took a few test shots, but does your copy look the same? Is the glue also this sloppy !? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324261-is-this-normal/?do=findComment&comment=4270226'>More sharing options...
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Ktsa5239 Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share #2  Posted September 6, 2021 Picture of the sloppy glue job Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324261-is-this-normal/?do=findComment&comment=4270227'>More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share #3  Posted September 6, 2021 Here is the gap Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324261-is-this-normal/?do=findComment&comment=4270228'>More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share #4  Posted September 6, 2021 Another shot of the glue Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324261-is-this-normal/?do=findComment&comment=4270229'>More sharing options...
Gobert Posted September 6, 2021 Share #5 Â Posted September 6, 2021 Return it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 6, 2021 Share #6 Â Posted September 6, 2021 I expect that is grease/lubricant on that focus cam, not "glue." Try focusing in and out the whole way to see if it distributes itself more smoothly. Dust happens, but you'll have to make your own decision on that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted September 6, 2021 Share #7 Â Posted September 6, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) IMHO... Gap = Non-issue. Glue - That's not glue, it's grease, would not bother me. Dust spec - Replace lens immediately or give me my money back (it's an $8000 lens, needed to be inspected). Â I'm not waiting weeks for Leica to repair it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share #8  Posted September 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Danner said: IMHO... Gap = Non-issue. Glue - That's not glue, it's grease, would not bother me. Dust spec - Replace lens immediately or give me my money back (it's an $8000 lens, needed to be inspected).  I'm not waiting weeks for Leica to repair it. I’m also thinking of the same thing. But given the lengthy wait time for orders, I feel like even if they are to replace it, it’s going to take months. Which means I’m left with the only option to return it and get a refund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted September 6, 2021 Share #9  Posted September 6, 2021 What's this? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324261-is-this-normal/?do=findComment&comment=4270627'>More sharing options...
adan Posted September 6, 2021 Share #10  Posted September 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, Vlad Soare said: What's this? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  It is a spring-loaded pushrod that slides in and out to connect this lens's internal focusing cam to the camera's rangefinder lever. ////====o lens focus cam pushrodcamera rangefinder roller It is something that appears in a handful of M-mount lenses over the years, usually to save weight (the thin bar sliding in and out weighs less than a full cylindrical focus cam). They are always well-greased, since they need to move easily and accurately to transmit lens position (and thus focus point) correctly. Usually found in longer lenses (135mm Elmar, 135mm Tele-Elmar v.1, 135mm APO-Telyt, early 90mm f/2.0 v.3, 90mm APO-Summicron, maybe early 75 Summilux(?)) In this case it looks as if it is used to allow the back of the APO-35mm to be better-sealed against dust and such, with the surrounding non-moving solid black flange or "wall" (with black screws in it). In the images here, you can see a similar black pushrod peeping out of a 135mm Elmar-M lens mount. \__/ https://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/135mm-f4.htm  3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share #11 Â Posted September 6, 2021 Thanks everyone! So the only problem is just the speck of dust inside, is there a chance of it moving to other spots or does it normally stay in one spot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share #12  Posted September 7, 2021 Dealer sent me a return label, I guess it’s going to be a long while before I see the replacement…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted September 7, 2021 Share #13  Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) That doesn't look like dust - it's too big. It looks like a small ball of fuzz off of the assembler's white cotton gloves. I would return it and get a replacement. When someone pays $8195 USD for a Leica M lens, it needs to be perfect and without any flaws. I have paid one hell of a lot less for Nikkor lenses that didn't have foreign objects like a ball of white fuzz inside the lens elements. If Nikon can manage to keep the fuzz balls/dust bunnies out of their lenses, I would expect no less from Leica. Edited September 7, 2021 by Herr Barnack 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted September 7, 2021 Share #14  Posted September 7, 2021 11 hours ago, adan said: It is a spring-loaded pushrod that slides in and out to connect this lens's internal focusing cam to the camera's rangefinder lever. ////====o lens focus cam pushrodcamera rangefinder roller It is something that appears in a handful of M-mount lenses over the years, usually to save weight (the thin bar sliding in and out weighs less than a full cylindrical focus cam). They are always well-greased, since they need to move easily and accurately to transmit lens position (and thus focus point) correctly. Usually found in longer lenses (135mm Elmar, 135mm Tele-Elmar v.1, 135mm APO-Telyt, early 90mm f/2.0 v.3, 90mm APO-Summicron, maybe early 75 Summilux(?)) In this case it looks as if it is used to allow the back of the APO-35mm to be better-sealed against dust and such, with the surrounding non-moving solid black flange or "wall" (with black screws in it). In the images here, you can see a similar black pushrod peeping out of a 135mm Elmar-M lens mount. \__/ https://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/135mm-f4.htm  Thanks, I didn't know that. I've never seen a lens like that. In all M-mount lenses I've seen (not many, I must admit) the whole bottom of the lens moves inwards or outwards as you turn the focusing ring. This particular one looks very strange to me, sitting so crooked, its left hand side looking like it doesn't belong there... Secondly, even if we assume that the white stuff is grease, isn't there too much of it? I thought lubricants were supposed to be used in extremely small, barely visible (if at all), quantities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted September 7, 2021 Share #15  Posted September 7, 2021 That dust speck would personally annoy me, but everyone has a different view of such things. I bought a new SL 50 APO that had a flaw (to my eyes at least), like a small smudge? or small collection of dust? under one of the front elements. It soured my thoughts on the lens ….once seen it was hard for me to forget. Anyhow it’s in the past, I sold that SL lens and got a GFX prime that (pleasingly) was gleaming and really pristine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share #16 Â Posted September 8, 2021 The dealer said once the lens is returned to Leica, they will process a DOA and dispatch a new one in 4 weeks. But since stock is so scarce, I don't know how they can find one to send me in 4 weeks after they process DOA. I'm abit disappointed and having second thoughts....should I just push for a refund and stick with my 35 lux FLE ? I did some comparison shots before I shipped it back and its not like a night and day difference. But I guess close focus is useful for travel sometimes..... sigh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted September 9, 2021 Share #17 Â Posted September 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Ktsa5239 said: The dealer said once the lens is returned to Leica, they will process a DOA and dispatch a new one in 4 weeks. But since stock is so scarce, I don't know how they can find one to send me in 4 weeks after they process DOA. I'm abit disappointed and having second thoughts....should I just push for a refund and stick with my 35 lux FLE ? I did some comparison shots before I shipped it back and its not like a night and day difference. But I guess close focus is useful for travel sometimes..... sigh Every producer has safety stock. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share #18  Posted September 10, 2021 The dealer said there is one copy of the lens that was used to take photos for promotional marketing and it has not been mounted on a body before so technically new but opened. That sounds ok right? That would avoid a long wait, can anyone think of any negatives on this offer? Added bonus is that they have checked it to make sure there is no dust or issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 10, 2021 Share #19 Â Posted September 10, 2021 Seems ok. Â But the FLE performs better at f1.4. Â Â Â Prioritize. Jeff 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktsa5239 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share #20  Posted September 17, 2021 You guys would not believe this.....The replacement just arrived and as soon as I opened it. There it is again. What is going on at Leica...... This is not even a small speck. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324261-is-this-normal/?do=findComment&comment=4276448'>More sharing options...
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