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Has there been talk about using the S system in panoramic (Xpan or 6x17) Frame mode? I am coming from the M world, but have also done multiple projects/books with my beloved Xpan and it would be incredible if the option to shoot panoramas was an option on S. Please advise. Shoot first / crop later is not an option for me. I need to see what I am doing while I am doing it :)

 

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misha friedman 

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2 minutes ago, misha said:

Hello

Has there been talk about using the S system in panoramic (Xpan or 6x17) Frame mode? I am coming from the M world, but have also done multiple projects/books with my beloved Xpan and it would be incredible if the option to shoot panoramas was an option on S. Please advise. Shoot first / crop later is not an option for me. I need to see what I am doing while I am doing it :)

 

thank you

misha friedman 

I see two options. 1) Mask the focusing screen, which sounds too dangerous, or 2) Mask the LCD and shoot in Live View. That sounds completely doable and non-destructive. I doubt you'll see such an option in software from Leica.

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They are already giving users multiple framing options. It's purely a software thing to add another. 

 

PS I apologize if this topic has been discussed before. I am new to the S forum.  

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18 minutes ago, Sarnian said:

Similar mask options are available for S3 as well (as expected since S3 is essentially S007 with an new/updated sensor).

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42 minutes ago, mgrayson3 said:

Huh! I had no idea. It never occurred to me to use less than the entire real estate. I usually crop a bit as needed, anyway.

Same here - I had to check...

Without having tested it, I think the entire file is stored, it's only apperaring masked in live view and Lightroom.

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3 hours ago, helged said:

Similar mask options are available for S3 as well (as expected since S3 is essentially S007 with an new/updated sensor).

oh wow, thank you! So if they did it with 007, there is no reason not to do it with S3. 3:1 is not exactly Xpan or 617, but it's close enough. 

 

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The evolution of my feelings towards Live View:

Ugh. Who would want it? => Well, it's really useful for magnified manual focus => But only if you have a tripod or stabilized lens. => No choice on the Hassy or Fuji MF bodies, so make the best of it. => Ugh. Who would want it? 😉

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Many years ago I went to Prague with a Fuji GX617 (with 90mm lens) AND a Fuji GSW690iii. It wasn’t a heavy combination as the cameras are basically just plastic boxes but imagine the size of my camera bag! The 6x17cm transparencies are gorgeous to look at on a light box. 😍
 

An adapted Hasselblad Xpan 30mm on a Leica S would be nice and portable.

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35 minutes ago, Sarnian said:

Many years ago I went to Prague with a Fuji GX617 (with 90mm lens) AND a Fuji GSW690iii. It wasn’t a heavy combination as the cameras are basically just plastic boxes but imagine the size of my camera bag! The 6x17cm transparencies are gorgeous to look at on a light box. 😍
 

An adapted Hasselblad Xpan 30mm on a Leica S would be nice and portable.

Leica S has a flange distance of 53 mm; whereas for Xpan the distance is 34.27 mm. So adaption would required some optical magic to work. Leica S30 or S35, or eg Contax-lenses with the Contax-to-S adapter, seem to be the way to go...

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13 minutes ago, helged said:

Leica S has a flange distance of 53 mm; whereas for Xpan the distance is 34.27 mm. So adaption would required some optical magic to work. Leica S30 or S35, or eg Contax-lenses with the Contax-to-S adapter, seem to be the way to go...

Are these any good for 'sticking' (cleverly, expertly) a lens on in an effort to adapt something?

I have the S24 and that gives an equivalent FOV as a 19mm lens (like the 90mm on the GX617). 

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18 minutes ago, Sarnian said:

Are these any good for 'sticking' (cleverly, expertly) a lens on in an effort to adapt something?

I have the S24 and that gives an equivalent FOV as a 19mm lens (like the 90mm on the GX617). 

Perhaps we talk across each other. An Xpan-lens needs to be mounted inside the S-body mirror box (approximately 20mm inside the S-mount) in order to work/focus to infinity, which is impossible. The only lenses that can be adapted to Leica S are those made for systems with a mirror box deeper than that of the S (or with a flange distance larger than 53 mm). Possible lenses in the latter category are Hasselblad H and V lenses, Contax 645 lenses, Pentax 67 lenses, etc. 

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3 hours ago, helged said:

Perhaps we talk across each other. An Xpan-lens needs to be mounted inside the S-body mirror box (approximately 20mm inside the S-mount) in order to work/focus to infinity, which is impossible. The only lenses that can be adapted to Leica S are those made for systems with a mirror box deeper than that of the S (or with a flange distance larger than 53 mm). Possible lenses in the latter category are Hasselblad H and V lenses, Contax 645 lenses, Pentax 67 lenses, etc. 

I don't think people recognize what a miracle the S24 is. The best such designs previously (Contax 35, which is a scaled up Zeiss 21 Distagon) had a lot of "mustache" distortion. To make a relatively distortion-free UWA lens for a deep mirror box camera is extraordinarily difficult.

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4 hours ago, helged said:

Possible lenses in the latter category are Hasselblad H and V lenses, Contax 645 lenses, Pentax 67 lenses, etc. 

And Pentax 645 lenses...

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4 hours ago, helged said:

An Xpan-lens needs to be mounted inside the S-body mirror box (approximately 20mm inside the S-mount) in order to work/focus to infinity, which is impossible. 

Inside. Oh! 

Thanks for the clarification. 

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About ten years ago I made an exhibition for a Norwegian photographer who shot 6x17. I scanned them all on the X5 and printed them around 90x250cm (I can't remember the exact proportions, but they were 250-300cm long). I did about 15 of them. Seeing such huge photos with so much detail and smooth tonality was really amazing. That said, it took me several days to spot them all. I think S3 will get you far, but not that far...the sheer massive film size of 6x17 is not reproducible with a cropped S3. This is not to say you cannot print it that big, just that 6x17 is special in that sense, since it just has so much inherent film area.

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Stuart, I know exactly what you mean. I've had xpan files printed 70x200cm and it was something else. That said, my grail/dream camera has always been a "digital 617", hence my potential dive into the S world. A dealer in Europe is offering a decent price (i would need to trade in all of my M gear) for an S3+45/2.8. Hence, my questions/hesitancy.  

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I guess what I would say by way of elaboration is that there is no digital 6x17…other than scanned 6x17 or a 6+ shot stitch from a Phase One full sized back.  The S3 is a good camera, but you are comparing 1cm by 4.5cm long digital sensor to a 6x17cm long piece of film. The lens will be proportionally longer too, with a 35mm angle of view with respect to width, while most 6x17 cameras have a 90 or 100, which is more like a 21-24mm. I am not saying that you cannot take good panos with it, but they are not very similar cameras in some important ways…

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Let's do some approximate math. An S3 image is 9800 pixels wide. So that would be at most ~5000 line pairs. Spread that across 17cm, and you get 5000/170, or about 30 line pairs/mm. That's not awful, by any means. Some lenses can resolve much more, but a wide angle covering 6x17? Yes, digital is not film, and these are just numbers, but the numbers aren't devastating to the notion of S3 usage.

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