Choosing a compact 28mm lens

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47 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

more fool you
or are you taking the piss
it my be hit or miss
but if you really want to know
where the fool                
(in your mind)
gets his dough—
why do you wanna know?
just give a little thought
to what he has bought
and no need to crow
cuz the wherewithal
is not a coverall
but merely the easily gotten gains
of a movie producer,
a cineaste, from the remains,
vast,
of his profession
that doesn’t require
a confession
to the likes of y’all
but this kinda troll
is just a jealousy trip
and we won’t let it rip
but stop it right here
you hear?
the normal Leica forum MO
is just too beau
the questioning of motive,
so corrosive,
always assuming the worst
reason,
whatever season,
of any statement
never any abatement
but let it be
we’re not paying any fee.
for jealousy is even uglier
and even vulgar.
just a matter of time
to each his own
to waste
just brace
yourself
and the pace
of this rap
will show the crap
that we face
let’s listen to the song of
Georges Brassens
a lot of sense
about being older
but not wiser
that brings us back
and makes us bolder:

Le temps ne fait rien à l'affaire.
Quand on est con, on est con!
Qu'on ait 20 ans, qu'on soit grand-père
Quand on est con, on est con!
Entre vous plus de controverses,
Cons caduques ou cons débutants.
Petits cons de la dernière averse
Vieux cons des neiges d'antan
Petits cons de la dernière averse
Vieux cons des neiges d'antan

so more fool you
now you know it too
we’re tired of this nonsense
that cannot masquerade
as the superior wisdom
of your own charade
we’ll put paid to any of your
elation,
mate, take a vacation
from this mental masturbation
 

@Steven - sorry you're being subjected this...
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TLDR

[Steven]

1 hour ago, Nowhereman said:

more fool you
or are you taking the piss
it my be hit or miss
but if you really want to know
where the fool                
(in your mind)
gets his dough—
why do you wanna know?
just give a little thought
to what he has bought
and no need to crow
cuz the wherewithal
is not a coverall
but merely the easily gotten gains
of a movie producer,
a cineaste, from the remains,
vast,
of his profession
that doesn’t require
a confession
to the likes of y’all
but this kinda troll
is just a jealousy trip
and we won’t let it rip
but stop it right here
you hear?
the normal Leica forum MO
is just too beau
the questioning of motive,
so corrosive,
always assuming the worst
reason,
whatever season,
of any statement
never any abatement
but let it be
we’re not paying any fee.
for jealousy is even uglier
and even vulgar.
just a matter of time
to each his own
to waste
just brace
yourself
and the pace
of this rap
will show the crap
that we face
let’s listen to the song of
Georges Brassens
a lot of sense
about being older
but not wiser
that brings us back
and makes us bolder:

Le temps ne fait rien à l'affaire.
Quand on est con, on est con!
Qu'on ait 20 ans, qu'on soit grand-père
Quand on est con, on est con!
Entre vous plus de controverses,
Cons caduques ou cons débutants.
Petits cons de la dernière averse
Vieux cons des neiges d'antan
Petits cons de la dernière averse
Vieux cons des neiges d'antan

so more fool you
now you know it too
we’re tired of this nonsense
that cannot masquerade
as the superior wisdom
of your own charade
we’ll put paid to any of your
elation,
mate, take a vacation
from this mental masturbation
 

@Steven - sorry you're being subjected this...
________________________
Frog Leaping photobook

Brilliant! 

and a lovely film, and a lovely actor. So sad he passed.

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[Crem]

@Stevendid you end up getting the 28 Elmarit? Any thoughts on it? It's my most used lens these days (light, small without hood, and fun to use). I'd really like to hear what you think of the Elmarit compared to your Lux (contrast, colors, etc). I think the 28 Lux is going to be my next lens as I'm really enjoying 28 more than 35 these days.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Crem

[Steven]

6 hours ago, Crem said:

@Stevendid you end up getting the 28 Elmarit? Any thoughts on it? It's my most used lens these days (light, small without hood, and fun to use). I'd really like to hear what you think of the Elmarit compared to your Lux (contrast, colors, etc). I think the 28 Lux is going to be my next lens as I'm really enjoying 28 more than 35 these days.

Hello, 

I am still in the return process of the Summaron. As soon as my dealer received the package, he will send the Elmarit my way. 

Keep you posted. 

[Steven]

Hello, 

I have owned and used extensively the 28 Elmarit for the past 10 days. 
After trying first the Summaron, then the Summicron, the Elmarit was the lens I was looking for when I started this thread. 
 

I love it on film, I love it on digital, I love it adapted on an SL. 
It’s extremely different from the summilux, extremely versatile, and extremely compact. 
 

Unlike the summaron, it’s perfectly useable at night, too. 
 

it’s rendering is very modern, which I enjoy very much on film. 
on digital, it’s very different from the Lux. It’s not as cinematic. It’s much more modern. What characterizes it for me is the 3D pop effect wide open when a subject is within 3M of the lens. Wow. 
It’s the 28 from the M lineup that reminds me the most of the rendering of the Q2, which I love and miss. 
This rendering is what I call the Hyper Realistic 3D pop, which you can find on the Q2, and on the SL APO lineup. 
 

I couldn’t be happier with it. As always, it took me to try them all in order to find the one for me. I suppose I am lucky to have tried the good one last, and not first !

thanks to everyone for your contribution. 

[a.noctilux]

Steven,

I'm happy that you had tried them out AND now you can say which one (s?) would be your choice (s) .

As usual, any choice(s) are not forever.

We can change over time and practice, but we can choose easier after 'learning to know' them (not waste of time/money, in my view).

[Steven]

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2 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

Steven,

I'm happy that you had tried them out AND now you can say which one (s?) would be your choice (s) .

As usual, any choice(s) are not forever.

We can change over time and practice, but we can choose easier after 'learning to know' them (not waste of time/money, in my view).

Summilux + Elmarit 👌🏻 

For now ……

[a.noctilux]

2 minutes ago, Steven said:

Summilux + Elmarit 👌🏻 

For now ……

👍

...for now, good move !

[Dennis]

Steven, does it has to be a Leica? Did you check this out?

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I was reading last week on FM forum about this. It's a new wow lens

[Steven]

11 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Steven, does it has to be a Leica? Did you check this out?

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I was reading last week on FM forum about this. It's a new wow lens

It has to be.... for now. If the lens you show is the one that would have worked as the compact alternative to my Lux, the Leica 28 Cron would have worked even better... for now. 

This F2 is not as compact as the elmarit APSH. 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Steven

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On 7/3/2021 at 10:34 PM, Nowhereman said:

more fool you
or are you taking the piss
it my be hit or miss
but if you really want to know
where the fool                
(in your mind)
gets his dough—
why do you wanna know?
just give a little thought
to what he has bought
and no need to crow
cuz the wherewithal
is not a coverall
but merely the easily gotten gains
of a movie producer,
a cineaste, from the remains,
vast,
of his profession
that doesn’t require
a confession
to the likes of y’all
but this kinda troll
is just a jealousy trip
and we won’t let it rip
but stop it right here
you hear?
the normal Leica forum MO
is just too beau
the questioning of motive,
so corrosive,
always assuming the worst
reason,
whatever season,
of any statement
never any abatement
but let it be
we’re not paying any fee.
for jealousy is even uglier
and even vulgar.
just a matter of time
to each his own
to waste
just brace
yourself
and the pace
of this rap
will show the crap
that we face
let’s listen to the song of
Georges Brassens
a lot of sense
about being older
but not wiser
that brings us back
and makes us bolder:

Le temps ne fait rien à l'affaire.
Quand on est con, on est con!
Qu'on ait 20 ans, qu'on soit grand-père
Quand on est con, on est con!
Entre vous plus de controverses,
Cons caduques ou cons débutants.
Petits cons de la dernière averse
Vieux cons des neiges d'antan
Petits cons de la dernière averse
Vieux cons des neiges d'antan

so more fool you
now you know it too
we’re tired of this nonsense
that cannot masquerade
as the superior wisdom
of your own charade
we’ll put paid to any of your
elation,
mate, take a vacation
from this mental masturbation
 

@Steven - sorry you're being subjected this...
________________________
Frog Leaping photobook

Quite "Dylan-esque".............Impressive.

You are right of course, jealousy is an ugly emotion, also expressing such on-line can be misconstrued, but this is where we seem to live these days and there's good and bad outcomes to the ease in which we can reach out and say whatever we say. Better face to face, but that's a rarity now and more's the pity. We live more behind the walls we've created to avoid rather than encourage personal contact. I have been as guilty as anyone else in saying things on-line when if said in person would have been construed differently, now I slow the pen and keep those opinions zipped. The art of loving insults has been crushed under stifling waves of PC and that saddens the near 80 year old Londoner in me where it used to be an art-form, but too long ago now.

Edited July 21, 2021 by petermullett

[ianman]

16 hours ago, Steven said:

it’s rendering is very modern, which I enjoy very much on film.

I think I must have misunderstood right from the start. I thought you were after a “classic/vintage” rendering,

[Steven]

3 minutes ago, ianman said:

I think I must have misunderstood right from the start. I thought you were after a “classic/vintage” rendering,

I have a preference for vintage looks in general, but I do love the SL35 APO, and the Q2. The rendering of the Elmarit is very similar, IMO, and I found my happiness with it. Life is full a surprises. I also 50mm again now, after a 15 years break! 

[ianman]

21 minutes ago, Steven said:

I also 50mm again now,

Yes, I noticed 😛

I look forward to seeing your pics with the Elmarit... I may be in the market for a faster 28 myself soon for a project I have in mind.

[pedaes]

17 minutes ago, ianman said:

for a faster 28

Voigtlander may be your friend.

[Crem]

On 7/20/2021 at 9:46 AM, Steven said:

Hello, 

I have owned and used extensively the 28 Elmarit for the past 10 days. 
After trying first the Summaron, then the Summicron, the Elmarit was the lens I was looking for when I started this thread. 
 

I love it on film, I love it on digital, I love it adapted on an SL. 
It’s extremely different from the summilux, extremely versatile, and extremely compact. 
 

Unlike the summaron, it’s perfectly useable at night, too. 
 

it’s rendering is very modern, which I enjoy very much on film. 
on digital, it’s very different from the Lux. It’s not as cinematic. It’s much more modern. What characterizes it for me is the 3D pop effect wide open when a subject is within 3M of the lens. Wow. 
It’s the 28 from the M lineup that reminds me the most of the rendering of the Q2, which I love and miss. 
This rendering is what I call the Hyper Realistic 3D pop, which you can find on the Q2, and on the SL APO lineup. 
 

I couldn’t be happier with it. As always, it took me to try them all in order to find the one for me. I suppose I am lucky to have tried the good one last, and not first !

thanks to everyone for your contribution. 

Thanks for letting us know what you think of the Elmarit 28. Have you seen significant rendering differences between the Elmarit 28 and Lux 28 at F4 - F8? Or is it mostly different at 1.4 - 2.8? I'm thinking about replacing my 35 FLE with a 28 Lux since I've been enjoying 28 so much more these days.

[Steven]

17 minutes ago, Crem said:

Thanks for letting us know what you think of the Elmarit 28. Have you seen significant rendering differences between the Elmarit 28 and Lux 28 at F4 - F8? Or is it mostly different at 1.4 - 2.8? I'm thinking about replacing my 35 FLE with a 28 Lux since I've been enjoying 28 so much more these days.

The 28 Lux is a far more spectacular lens than the fle. 
I shoot most my lenses wide open most of the time so I’m not the right person to tell you how they compare at f5.6. If I had to guess, I would say that the differences thin out completely as you close down the lens. 

[Steven]

Some shots with my Elmarit. My favourite thing about it is that it's my cheapest, most easily replaceable lens. So I took it for a swim with my wife at the beach. 

 

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