odoardo Posted May 29, 2021 Share #1 Posted May 29, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) How can I see if this is a Russian copy? ( it probally is...) Thank you. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/321319-russian-copy/?do=findComment&comment=4209815'>More sharing options...
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pfoto Posted May 29, 2021 Share #2 Posted May 29, 2021 the nazi eagle is smiling - so its a fake Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 29, 2021 Share #3 Posted May 29, 2021 If you have to ask... It is. Your links are broken for me - but: nazi symbols, "gold" plated" and general look are the indicators from a mile away. Then there are many technical details as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 29, 2021 Share #4 Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) Not probally... it is defintely. Edited May 29, 2021 by luigi bertolotti 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
odoardo Posted May 29, 2021 Author Share #5 Posted May 29, 2021 Was this all Russian amateur homework or some sort of organized ( factory? ) work..? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 29, 2021 Share #6 Posted May 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, odoardo said: Was this all Russian amateur homework or some sort of organized ( factory? ) work..? There are thousands and thousands of them, so an organised effort but they could still be built by home workers or prisoners. The quality is awful and if asked they'd say 'well it's just for fun, nobody would be fooled', but people are fooled especially if they have nothing to compare the fake camera to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 29, 2021 Share #7 Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 56 minutes ago, odoardo said: Was this all Russian amateur homework or some sort of organized ( factory? ) work..? To answer, body should be inspected by some expert on Russians... from 1934, FED factory (Ukraina) made thousands of Leica copies, and spares, and parts... so anyone with sufficient skill can obtain any "custom Leica" he likes... in this item, apart the adler, writings are very roughly made... some fakes are a lot finer. Edited May 29, 2021 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 29, 2021 Share #8 Posted May 29, 2021 Here's what a good fake looks like https://www.cameraquest.com/leica_II_fake.htm and how to spot it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted May 29, 2021 Share #9 Posted May 29, 2021 And Luftwaffen Eigemtum and WH together are impossible...😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroplait Posted May 29, 2021 Share #10 Posted May 29, 2021 Assuming these left the factory with a Fed engraving and chromed, somebody must have then de-chromed them, filled or polished out the engraving and then re-chromed and re-engraved them, right? Not an entirely trivial task for what appears to be pennies - as they almost always sell just a little above the price of a real FED. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 29, 2021 Share #11 Posted May 29, 2021 The links are broken but one dead giveaway is if it has a thread for a cable release in the middle of the shutter button. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
odoardo Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted May 30, 2021 (edited) Here they are, as for some the links were broken. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 30, 2021 by odoardo Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/321319-russian-copy/?do=findComment&comment=4210397'>More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 30, 2021 Share #13 Posted May 30, 2021 Well, the best that can be said is it's a camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
odoardo Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share #14 Posted May 30, 2021 Not mine. And it won't be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfaspen Posted May 31, 2021 Share #15 Posted May 31, 2021 Wow. Is that a vulture engraving? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Attrik Posted May 31, 2021 Share #16 Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) jc_braconi, post #9 said "And Luftwaffen Eigentum and W.H together are impossible..." This is a guess W.H. = Wermacht Heer ? D.Lox Edited May 31, 2021 by Jerry Attrik Apologies, you made a 'post' not a 'posy' Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted June 2, 2021 Share #17 Posted June 2, 2021 On 5/29/2021 at 6:29 PM, nitroplait said: Assuming these left the factory with a Fed engraving and chromed, somebody must have then de-chromed them, filled or polished out the engraving and then re-chromed and re-engraved them, right? Not an entirely trivial task for what appears to be pennies - as they almost always sell just a little above the price of a real FED. I think that's probably why there are so many brass fakes. It's not just to make them look vaguely like a Luxus, it also saves the fakers the bother of re-chroming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted June 2, 2021 Share #18 Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) On 5/29/2021 at 4:44 PM, jc_braconi said: And Luftwaffen Eigemtum and WH together are impossible...😁 I wonder what the fakers were thinking with the double quotes. Did they see a camera described as a Leica "Luftwaffen Eigentum" or "WH" and assume they needed to include them when engraving their masterpiece? Edited June 2, 2021 by Anbaric 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 2, 2021 Share #19 Posted June 2, 2021 On 5/29/2021 at 9:39 AM, odoardo said: How can I see if this is a Russian copy? ( it probally is...) Thank you. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! More a case of how can you not see that it's a Russian copy (copy being a rather flattering term for that!!). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 2, 2021 Share #20 Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) On 5/29/2021 at 6:29 PM, nitroplait said: Assuming these left the factory with a Fed engraving and chromed, somebody must have then de-chromed them, filled or polished out the engraving and then re-chromed and re-engraved them, right? Not an entirely trivial task for what appears to be pennies - as they almost always sell just a little above the price of a real FED. Not that I suppose anyone is terribly interested () but there seems to be more going on here (I believe) than meets the eye. The whole shape of the rangefinder housing is unlike that of either a FED or a Zorki and I suspect that the whole cap is a wholly new pressing / stamping. "Details on Request" but, to save a bit of time, here's a look at the shape of a typical 1936 camera compared with a 1941 example. Things to look out for are the gentle arc next to the rewind knob of the early camera compared to the distictly 'front semi-circle - rear straight' form of the '41 and also - importantly - the semi-circular form underneath the shutter-speed dial ('36) compared to the more angular form of the '41; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The camera in the OP would have to be a mix of both styles which is, shall we say, 'Highly Unlikely'? Also the quality of the pressing of the housing of the 'Luftwaffe' fake is nowhere near as high-quality as that found on a genuine FED or Zorki camera. I think the fake camera also has a fake r/f housing! I suppose it saves someone the trouble to erase all traces of an original engraving and gives them a 'blank canvas' to weave their Magic as it were? Philip. Edited June 2, 2021 by pippy 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The camera in the OP would have to be a mix of both styles which is, shall we say, 'Highly Unlikely'? Also the quality of the pressing of the housing of the 'Luftwaffe' fake is nowhere near as high-quality as that found on a genuine FED or Zorki camera. I think the fake camera also has a fake r/f housing! I suppose it saves someone the trouble to erase all traces of an original engraving and gives them a 'blank canvas' to weave their Magic as it were? Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/321319-russian-copy/?do=findComment&comment=4212668'>More sharing options...
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