Guest Nowhereman Posted June 11, 2021 Share #541 Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 hours ago, Mr.Q said: ... to my knowledge, there is no "M9/CCD preset" in existence that can be applied to match the CCD look every time... Actually, there are new profiles and simulations that have been developed by Cobalt-Image that look very good. I have only bought their profiles for the M10, which are at least as accurate as custom profiles. In addition, there are several simulation packs, including M9 simulations and Monochrom simulations. You can read a long discussion of all this, including lots of examples and comparisons on the Fred Miranda Forum. ________________________Frog Leaping photobook Edited June 11, 2021 by Nowhereman Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted June 11, 2021 Share #542 Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, evikne said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Jaap’s phrasing is better... “90% of the print quality doesn’t depend on the hardware, nor the software, but is determined by the bioware.” I’ve been meaning to borrow his wording. Jeff Edited June 11, 2021 by Jeff S 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted June 11, 2021 Share #543 Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) "Leica M11 - your next camera?" Apparently not. Not for me anyway. After months of thought and reviewing reactions across the internet and forums, I just yesterday decided to purchase the M10-R and almost... patiently awaiting for it to arrive. I do have Steven to partly blame. Once I found out yesterday that he purchased the M10-R Again, that pushed me over the edge and click click "submit" 🙃 With that said, I will of course keep my eye on the M11 rumors as they progress or not. *Do we really think the M11 will come so soon after the M10-M/R ? I think we might see more M APO lenses first. And yes, assuming the M11 remains a rangefinder and does come with a BSI sensor, I'll probably buy at some point too. Edited June 11, 2021 by LBJ2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 11, 2021 Share #544 Posted June 11, 2021 47 minutes ago, LBJ2 said: "Leica M11 - your next camera?" Apparently not. Not for me anyway. After months of thought and reviewing reactions across the internet and forums, I just yesterday decided to purchase the M10-R and almost... patiently awaiting for it to arrive. I do have Steven to partly blame. Once I found out yesterday that he purchased the M10-R Again, that pushed me over the edge and click click "submit" 🙃 With that said, I will of course keep my eye on the M11 rumors as they progress or not. *Do we really think the M11 will come so soon after the M10-M/R ? I think we might see more M APO lenses first. And yes, assuming the M11 remains a rangefinder and does come with a BSI sensor, I'll probably buy at some point too. Why do you think it needs a BSI sensor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted June 11, 2021 Share #545 Posted June 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, jdlaing said: Why do you think it needs a BSI sensor? I don't think the M11 needs a BSI sensor. But it would be a nice differentiator to the M10-R. More light is more light ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted June 11, 2021 Share #546 Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, LBJ2 said: I don't think the M11 needs a BSI sensor. But it would be a nice differentiator to the M10-R. More light is more light ! If they put the sensor of the SL2S in the M11...... oh my goodness 😇😇😍 Sadly they won't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 11, 2021 Share #547 Posted June 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, LBJ2 said: I don't think the M11 needs a BSI sensor. But it would be a nice differentiator to the M10-R. More light is more light ! There will be other things that differentiates it. 😃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted June 11, 2021 Share #548 Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, jdlaing said: There will be other things that differentiates it. 😃 It will cost 1000 dollars more, to begin with 🤪 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted June 11, 2021 Share #549 Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) What the rumored M11 Does need to have IMO is a much more powerful/efficient processor and support for UHS-II card speeds. I've not tried the M10-R myself yet but too many confidants tell me it's noticeably laggy and buffer fills quicikly compared to the M10. Of coursing pushing more MPs around with the same processor is expected. Not a deal breaker but noticeable. Edited June 11, 2021 by LBJ2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelatino Posted June 11, 2021 Share #550 Posted June 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Herr Barnack said: The M11 may be the first non-limited edition digital M to brush up against the $10,000 USD price line. By the time I can afford the M11, the M15 will be out. 😳 And you don't want to get your feathers torn out, do you? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted June 11, 2021 Share #551 Posted June 11, 2021 38 minutes ago, LBJ2 said: What the rumored M11 Does need to have IMO is a much more powerful/efficient processor and support for UHS-II card speeds. I've not tried the M10-R myself yet but too many confidants tell me it's noticeably laggy and buffer fills quicikly compared to the M10. Of coursing pushing more MPs around with the same processor is expected. Not a deal breaker but noticeable. I confirm that my biggest complaint about the M10R is the laggy buffer. You try to take two photos quickly back to back and you need to pause. It’s very annoying. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 11, 2021 Share #552 Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Steven said: I confirm that my biggest complaint about the M10R is the laggy buffer. You try to take two photos quickly back to back and you need to pause. It’s very annoying. Incredible... Unacceptable to me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted June 11, 2021 Share #553 Posted June 11, 2021 First impressions M10-R right out of the box. The Shutter Sound! WOW. I've not used the M10-P or the M10-R till now and the M10-R shutter sound, or I should write, the lack of shutter sound is Outrageous! 🤩 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinot Posted June 11, 2021 Share #554 Posted June 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Mr.Q said: Well this is a gear forum. And differences in rendering and color pallette are valid points to be made in a gear forum. If you truly believe that the photographer and his/her skill is all that really matters, I'm curious as to why you visit a gear forum as routinely as you do. I think computers and developing software is part of that tool equation. So I agree with Jeff (in this case). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted June 11, 2021 Share #555 Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Steven said: I confirm that my biggest complaint about the M10R is the laggy buffer. You try to take two photos quickly back to back and you need to pause. It’s very annoying. not exaggerating a little? I take quickly 5-6 in raw+jpg before it slows. My style of shooting is double tap all the time when shooting people. I find the M10-R images are a little compressed, I don't mean detail loss. the files a much smaller then SL2 files. and In editing they take much longer to read then SL2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted June 11, 2021 Share #556 Posted June 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, Photoworks said: not exaggerating a little? I take quickly 5-6 in raw+jpg before it slows. My style of shooting is double tap all the time when shooting people. I find the M10-R images are a little compressed, I don't mean detail loss. the files a much smaller then SL2 files. and In editing they take much longer to read then SL2. Maybe it has to do with my memory card ? I use the pro grades V90 and they are very slow on my SL2S as well. Play back is unbearable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted June 11, 2021 Share #557 Posted June 11, 2021 3 hours ago, LBJ2 said: Of coursing pushing more MPs around with the same processor is expected and the same size buffer as the M10 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted June 11, 2021 Share #558 Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Steven said: It will cost 1000 dollars more, to begin with 🤪 That is a given - not a distinction. Good Gawd Amighty - between prices and the hellish library module in Lightroom, sometimes I think about selling all my digital Leicas and going back to shooting only film. Edited June 11, 2021 by Herr Barnack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 11, 2021 Share #559 Posted June 11, 2021 4 hours ago, LBJ2 said: I don't think the M11 needs a BSI sensor. But it would be a nice differentiator to the M10-R. More light is more light ! BSI does not add more light with larger sensors. It improves readout speed and improves corners handling. Latest BSI sensors have a a larger dual-conversion gain step. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted June 11, 2021 Share #560 Posted June 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, SrMi said: BSI does not add more light with larger sensors. It improves readout speed and improves corners handling. Latest BSI sensors have a a larger dual-conversion gain step. "A back-illuminated sensor or backside illuminated sensor (BSI) is an imaging sensor for digital cameras with a different layout from other sensors that allows more light to be collected at the pixel level. The resulting images have less digital noise, and low-light performance can be improved by as much as a stop or more." https://www.photo-digitaltransitions.com/bsi-sensors-demystified/ https://www.adorama.com/alc/faq-whats-a-back-side-illuminated-sensor/ 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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