Gobert Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2001 Posted October 16, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Steven said: There’s a 19 pages breaking news thread were everything I’ve ever written has always been true. I announced the sl2s, the 24-70 SL, the 35APO with release date, the m11, the M6, the M10Rbp, etc… weeks before everyone else. That should act as a track record, no ? Anyway. You don’t have to believe me 😆 Future will show us. But even then, appearantly there might be an information leak in the Leica organisation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sinjun Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2002 Posted October 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, Steven said: Regretfully I didn’t see it. Is there any confirmation that the M11 EVF is backward-compatible with M10? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2003 Posted October 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, Gobert said: Future will show us. But even then, appearantly there might be an information leak in the Leica organisation. Let’s be sensible about leaks, in works in Leica favour as it increases anticipation. Age of old trade shows with big public announcement is fading away, internet and social media are the tools of today. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2004 Posted October 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, sinjun said: Is there any confirmation that the M11 EVF is backward-compatible with M10? I don't know. Sorry. 22 minutes ago, mmradman said: Let’s be sensible about leaks, in works in Leica favour as it increases anticipation. Age of old trade shows with big public announcement is fading away, internet and social media are the tools of today. Of course. Even Apple leaks their own stuff. Basic of marketing. You think there's not Leica employee reading my "Breaking news" thread ?! They love it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2005 Posted October 16, 2021 One thing I’m trying to understand is the sensor that will apparently offer three different resolutions in RAW. How is this going to be implemented? Because physically the sensor will have 60 million photosites (if it’s a 60MP sensor), so in the lower resolution modes, will it deactivate some of those photosites? Or will it combine information from neighboring photosites to generate a lower resolution RAW file? If set to lower resolution, will it offer better noise handling than full resolution mode? Other than smaller file size, I don’t really see an advantage to lower resolution RAW modes, unless it offers some actual benefits of a smaller resolution sensor (such as lower noise). What am I missing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2006 Posted October 16, 2021 We can speculate only. We don´t konow the technique of the sensor (if it has really 60 MP). But many of us don´t want large files for every photo: You need large Sd-cards, more storage space and better computers. So it would make sense to me if Leica offers different resolutions only for different file sizes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2007 Posted October 16, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Steven said: Of course. Even Apple leaks their own stuff. Basic of marketing. You think there's not Leica employee reading my "Breaking news" thread ?! They love it.... Ironically, Peter, who runs the Leica Rumors site, hasn’t caught on to your posts or track record. Not sure he cares about accuracy anyway… even though he has a tip line…probably more about clicks. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2008 Posted October 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, elmars said: if it has really 60 MP It's in the 60MP range. 100% confirmed. I don't know if 60 or 61 or 59. But 60ish, guaranteed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2009 Posted October 16, 2021 40 minutes ago, Yarosuav said: How is this going to be implemented? This is where it gets bad, in my opinion. At the least, polarising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2010 Posted October 16, 2021 48 minutes ago, Yarosuav said: Other than smaller file size, I don’t really see an advantage to lower resolution RAW modes, unless it offers some actual benefits of a smaller resolution sensor (such as lower noise). What am I missing? APS mode with electronic frame lines.This way a 50/1.4 could become a compact 75/1.4 with still a comfortable pixel count. Just a guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2011 Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Steven said: This is where it gets bad, in my opinion. At the least, polarising. I guess one can just keep it at full resolution at all times, and don’t bother with the lower res modes. That’s what I’m going to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2012 Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Yarosuav said: Or will it combine information from neighboring photosites to generate a lower resolution RAW file? As mentioned previously on this thread, Canon has been providing the option of "reduced raw" (sRAW, mRAW) files for a decade or so. Full-frame capture, no cropping, but "downsampled" resolution. It is not pixel-binning as such. It is just basic downsampling, more or less the way we reduce picture pixel counts here to fit the Forum limits and display 40Mp images as 2-4Mpixel images. The problem being that if a color Bayer array is making one pixel red-sensitive, and the next one green sensitive, there's no way to "bin" neighboring pixels and retain separate color data. You are mixing the red, green and blue together before creating the raw or .DNG file. In effect, Canon is processing the image to a near-jpeg, and then reprocessing that into a format tagged as Raw. That tends to degrade the ability to, for example, change the White Balance cleanly in post-processing. At least in Canon's method. Better algorithms (math) can help, but we don't know if, or how, that is what Leica is doing (yet). 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2013 Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steven said: This is where it gets bad, in my opinion. At the least, polarising. So, it comes with 3 separate sensors in a box, and you have to manually switch the sensors? 😀 If it is polarizing, perhaps in 5 years we'll look back on the 11 as transitionary technology....that the M12 is the camera that works out the problems of the M11 and really sets the M in a new direction. Edited October 16, 2021 by bags27 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2014 Posted October 16, 2021 To me different RAW resolutions are a gimmick. Storage is cheap these days, so what’s the point? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixeleater Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2015 Posted October 16, 2021 7 hours ago, sinjun said: Is there any confirmation that the M11 EVF is backward-compatible with M10? My local Leica dealer confirmed that it is backwards compatible. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2016 Posted October 16, 2021 2 hours ago, lct said: APS mode with electronic frame lines.This way a 50/1.4 could become a compact 75/1.4 with still a comfortable pixel count. Just a guess. It wasn’t me who said it. Lct is the leaker. Although it’s a bit worst than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2017 Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Yarosuav said: To me different RAW resolutions are a gimmick. Storage is cheap these days, so what’s the point? I’m 100% with you on this. I never understood people who complained about file sizes. That seems to me to be a bit stubborn. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2018 Posted October 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Steven said: I’m 100% with you on this. I never understood people who complained about file sizes. That seems to me to be a bit stubborn. Steven-- I just checked out your Instagram site: you're a wonderful photographer! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2019 Posted October 16, 2021 Just now, bags27 said:Steven-- I just checked out your Instagram site: you're a wonderful photographer! Thank you brother. I only post 1% or less of what I shoot. I wish I had time to share more but I actually have a job 😆 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted October 16, 2021 Share #2020 Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Steven said: It wasn’t me who said it. Lct is the leaker. Although it’s a bit worst than that. Is it an ASPC sensor instead of full frame? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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