fotografr Posted March 13, 2021 Share #561 Posted March 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 3/12/2021 at 2:40 AM, Steven said: But once they see I hold a 35 APO, the aliens will worship me, or at least PK. No they won't. They'll show you their 35 APO f/0.95 and laugh at how slow yours is. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fotografr Posted March 13, 2021 Share #562 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, microview said: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VafYk3mAVYRtBmJr9PWI_sMKvZmeT_WI?usp=sharing Looking at these on 27in iMac I had no real preference between one and the other. Likewise. But for me it just shows how excellent both lenses are. Edited March 13, 2021 by fotografr 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted March 13, 2021 Share #563 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) ooops Edited March 13, 2021 by Stephen.s1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMF Posted March 13, 2021 Share #565 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Steven said: Me neither. The way is see is that for 80% of the shots the two lens will perform equally, and most people wouldn’t see a difference at equal apertures. But sometimes, when the light is right, when the planet align, the APO can produce some very unbelievable photos, with an unparalleled 3D pop effect. I’ve once said the exact same thing about the Q2 vs the Ricoh GRIII. Most times, you could not tell the difference. But when the gods of photography are on your side, Leica rewards you. I was hoping not to see a difference either (for my wallets sake 🙂) but when using compare in Lightroom, magnified on my 5K LG monitor, I see a a noticeable difference in visual acuity in the trees silhouetted against the sky in the wide shot pics. Could be just some slight jpg compression contributing at play but comparing apples to apples I’m seeing differences. Thanks again for posting these and taking the time to shoot them. Edited March 13, 2021 by RMF Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share #566 Posted March 13, 2021 A negative observation about the APO 35 M ? While the high details that it resolves is an excellent point for chicken and dogs, is it too rough on faces ? Two DNG files below. The face might not even be in perfect focus, but it's really not a flattering amount of details ! https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RIXBZKTIwcBiyAUJv2HB3AdbI7m60aqv?usp=sharing Of course, I can't say this comes as a surprise with an APO lens, and it's not a "problem" that's only relevant to the 35 of the APO lineup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 13, 2021 Share #567 Posted March 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Try the same with your mother in law 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 13, 2021 Share #568 Posted March 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Steven said: A negative observation about the APO 35 M ? While the high details that it resolves is an excellent point for chicken and dogs, is it too rough on faces ? Two DNG files below. The face might not even be in perfect focus, but it's really not a flattering amount of details ! https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RIXBZKTIwcBiyAUJv2HB3AdbI7m60aqv?usp=sharing Of course, I can't say this comes as a surprise with an APO lens, and it's not a "problem" that's only relevant to the 35 of the APO lineup. It's definitely in focus, as the crop shows. The main problem in my opinion is that it was taken in very harsh light. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318545-the-leica-apo-summicron-m-35mm-f2-asph-first-impressions/?do=findComment&comment=4159988'>More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share #569 Posted March 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, fotografr said: It's definitely in focus, as the crop shows. The main problem in my opinion is that it was taken in very harsh light. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! We can see little hair under her lip that (thankfully) we can't perceive in real life, and that we probably wouldn't perceive with a "regular" lens. And this was shot on an "only" 24MP sensor ! Dreadful. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 13, 2021 Share #570 Posted March 13, 2021 Just now, Steven said: We can see little hair under her lip that (thankfully) we can't perceive in real life, and that we probably wouldn't perceive with a "regular" lens. And this was shot on an "only" 24MP sensor ! Dreadful. 1 minute ago, Steven said: We can see little hair under her lip that (thankfully) we can't perceive in real life, and that we probably wouldn't perceive with a "regular" lens. And this was shot on an "only" 24MP sensor ! Dreadful. Agreed. She forgot to shave this morning. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted March 14, 2021 Share #571 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Steven said: Me neither. The way is see is that for 80% of the shots the two lens will perform equally, and most people wouldn’t see a difference at equal apertures. But sometimes, when the light is right, when the planet align, the APO can produce some very unbelievable photos, with an unparalleled 3D pop effect. I’ve once said the exact same thing about the Q2 vs the Ricoh GRIII. Most times, you could not tell the difference. But when the gods of photography are on your side, Leica rewards you. I think I see some pretty big differences in these photos, even with a quick glance - much more clarity and contrast in the cron apo shots. In the bicycle photo you can see some of the typical odd and wavy plane-of-focus in the OOF parts of the 35 lux photo (see the relatively in-focus area on the walls to the far sides at the back, which one would expect to be more out-of-focus). Edited March 14, 2021 by gotium Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted March 14, 2021 Share #572 Posted March 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Steven said: A negative observation about the APO 35 M ? While the high details that it resolves is an excellent point for chicken and dogs, is it too rough on faces ? Two DNG files below. The face might not even be in perfect focus, but it's really not a flattering amount of details ! https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RIXBZKTIwcBiyAUJv2HB3AdbI7m60aqv?usp=sharing Of course, I can't say this comes as a surprise with an APO lens, and it's not a "problem" that's only relevant to the 35 of the APO lineup. Nothing wrong there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted March 14, 2021 Share #573 Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, gotium said: Nothing wrong there! Except for a little moiré on the cap.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted March 14, 2021 Share #574 Posted March 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Steven said: We can see little hair under her lip that (thankfully) we can't perceive in real life, and that we probably wouldn't perceive with a "regular" lens. And this was shot on an "only" 24MP sensor ! Dreadful. Someone please chime in the full technical explanation, but my understanding is digital records detail - whether larger (like the outline of the head) or small (like the minuscule hair under the lip) with the same amount of contrast? Hence minuscule details such as that hair under the lip (or the finest of lines under people's eyes) become more prominent, both compared to how our eyes see the world, and also compared to how a film camera would have recorded it? Whatever is the technical reason - it is for that observation that I find film in my Leica M7 gets me the "look" for portraits that I find closer to reality, and is also more pleasing to me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share #575 Posted March 14, 2021 Just a quick thought triggered by a question from another thread. At this point, I believe that the APO is a lens that is particularly suited for the SL bodies. First, because of the closer MFD mechanism. It just makes more sense with live view and an EVF Second, because of ergonomics. Of course everything is relative, but it feels more like a compact lens on the SL. On the M, its rather on the big side, or at least the long side. It's as long as and FLE without the hood, even if its thinner and lighter. Third, I hesitated to talk about this. I prefer the way the lens renders on the SL than on the M. I hesitated to talk about this so soon because I cant quite put my finger on this yet and have trouble describing the feeling, and I also understand that this might open a bigger debate than the APO: the one of M lenses on SL bodies, and the way they render. To me, M lenses work exactly the same on an M and an SL, except for two lenses that render slightly differently on each body. The Summilux 35 pre asph, and now the 35 APO. It's very hard to explain, I'm sorry if I dont sound constructive. On the M, I think the lens lacks a bit of character, its just too clinical. I had similar complaints with the Cron ASPH, and that why I always used summiluxes that have more personality wide open. On the SL2S, however, I feel its a really special lens. It has that crazy 3D pop, hyper realistic look that I've often compared to the Q2 look. Anyway, just speaking out loud here, as I am realising that if I was to keep this lens, it'd probably be glued to my SL2 and it would never be my first, not second nor third choice on an M. It all started yesterday when I shot a few side by side of the APO and the Cron V4 in my M10P, and realised that I liked better the smudged corners of the V4 to the perfect image of the APO (Only true on the M, not the SL2). Cheers 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alainD Posted March 14, 2021 Share #576 Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Steven said: Anyway, just speaking out loud here, as I am realising that if I was to keep this lens, it'd probably be glued to my SL2 That begs the question, why would one want to use the 35 Summicon-M APO on the SL2/SL2s when the 35mm Summicron-SL APO exits? I'd be very interested to see a comparison of the two lenses on a SL2/SL2s. I do have the 35mm Summicron-SL APO, but not the M version (yet?). Alain Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 14, 2021 Share #577 Posted March 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, alainD said: That begs the question, why would one want to use the 35 Summicon-M APO on the SL2/SL2s when the 35mm Summicron-SL APO exits? No idea Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 2 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318545-the-leica-apo-summicron-m-35mm-f2-asph-first-impressions/?do=findComment&comment=4160569'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 14, 2021 Share #578 Posted March 14, 2021 Looking at Steven's example of APO clinicalness run amok, perhaps even causing him to run to the return counter in despair... my reaction to the picture is that it is a quick snap, and made a basic error. her eyes and forehead are in shadow, while the mouth and chin are overly lit, perhaps overexposed. Take the cap off, go into open shade, and the eyes will carry the picture. Two strokes with the brush in PS and there are no blemishes in the skin, and the details in the hair will do the rest. Don't blame the lens, just use the material that it presents a little better. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted March 14, 2021 Share #579 Posted March 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Steven said: if I was to keep this lens if you was to keep it? let me get you my address 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share #580 Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, alainD said: That begs the question, why would one want to use the 35 Summicon-M APO on the SL2/SL2s when the 35mm Summicron-SL APO exits? I'd be very interested to see a comparison of the two lenses on a SL2/SL2s. I do have the 35mm Summicron-SL APO, but not the M version (yet?). Alain There is a very simple explanation to your question. I use my SL2S as a hybrid camera. 50% video 50% stills. You cannot shoot videos with the SL 35 APO. On the other hand, you can shoot exceptional video the APO 35 M. And then of course, as @lct hinted, size is a no brainer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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