AZN Posted March 8, 2021 Share #441 Posted March 8, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, Steven said: It finished in a prison cell. Let me know if you want to know everything that happened in between. What The EFF? Have I missed something? Taking photos when should have been in lockdown? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 Hi AZN, Take a look here The Leica APO-Summicron-M 35mm f/2 ASPH - First Impressions. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Danner Posted March 8, 2021 Share #442 Posted March 8, 2021 9 hours ago, Steven said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! What a bunch of great shots :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboy Posted March 8, 2021 Share #443 Posted March 8, 2021 On 3/7/2021 at 9:17 AM, Steven said: It forces you to change your grip cause your hand cant continue using the tab to focus without covering the lens. So at some point one must drop the tap and continue focusing by turning the ring. it's fine when you focus closer, but once you ago back out, you have a high chance of changing the aperture. Its a shame that they didnt adopt the dual range feature similiar to the Q2. Im guessing it may have add too much bulk to affect finder blockage?? When asked in an interview with Karbe that the dual range feature could be implemented in other systems but i didnt expect it theyll do it this way. Its much more elegant design with the Q2. Where is the sound coming from as you move closer away from 70cm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 8, 2021 Share #444 Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, ZHNL said: Even assuming without coma, I would be really concern about vignette for night sky based on samples shown here. Good observation! And it would be more than surprising if the smallish 35-APO-M matches the SL35-Cron in all respects; size constraints imply compromises. That being said, the 35-APO-M is certainly an interesting and impressive lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share #445 Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, cboy said: Its a shame that they didnt adopt the dual range feature similiar to the Q2. Im guessing it may have add too much bulk to affect finder blockage?? When asked in an interview with Karbe that the dual range feature could be implemented in other systems but i didnt expect it theyll do it this way. Its much more elegant design with the Q2. Where is the sound coming from as you move closer away from 70cm? The advantage of this non dual range design is that in video, for example, you could track a subject all the way into close range without interrupting your shot . In stills, in find my self using it a lot around 60/65cm. These 5 extra centimetres are very for portraits at 35mm, when before I had to take a step back. It wouldn't be as convenient if I had to pull back a ring. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share #446 Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) . Edited March 8, 2021 by Steven Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strohscw Posted March 8, 2021 Share #447 Posted March 8, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) @Steven Have You already had the chance to compare the SLX28 with the APO35 concerning the bokeh? Greetings Wolfram Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share #448 Posted March 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, strohscw said: @Steven Have You already had the chance to compare the SLX28 with the APO35 concerning the bokeh? Greetings Wolfram Not yet, not sure if its worth it, I know what to expect. The 35 DOF will make a massive difference. I consider these two lenses in the same family, though, in the way they render... they both have that new Leica look, ultra realistic, 3D pop... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share #449 Posted March 8, 2021 Here is another 35mm side by side from my collection of lenses. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LVrHORA_gF0MuZLF-adGdD5tW2BzKqHS?usp=sharing Participating in the side by side: Summilux Pre Asph v1 at f1.4 Summicron V4 at F2 Nokton Classic MC v1 at f1.4 Summilux Pre Fle at F1.4 and F2 Summicron APO at F2 Minor observations: -The Nokton and the Pre FLE, in a scenario with no strong highlights to glow, are sooooo similar that it’s hard to justify paying the premium for the Leica lens. Especially since the form factor of the Nokton is so much better (similar to the pre asph). The FLE -The difference between the V4 and the APO is quite massive. When both shot wide open, the APO seems to give a smoother and more blurred bokeh with the face in the center still has more details and his sharper. -The APO is better corrected for distortions in the corner than the pre FLE. -There are diffent color casts between the lenses. Major observation: -The APO at F2 when compared to the pre FLE seems to ressemble more an F1.4 than an F2. I took many shots in many scenarios, and every time the APO at F2 looked much more as the F1.4 shot from the pre FLE than the F2 shot. I dont know if its a trick, but in terms of DOF, the APO just compares to an F1.4, not an F2 lens. At this point, this confirms what I posted yesterday. If one lens in my collection has to go to leave space to the APO, its not the V4 as I originally thought because the V4 doesnt act as a double. Its small, has a vintage bokeh, and has nice colours. The one that would have to go is the pre FLE, because that is the one that it competes with the most. At this point, I dont know yet which of the two I am going to keep. Pros of the FLE: Half the price One more stop of light Renders with more “atmosphere” Pros of the APO: Slightly more compact 30cm MFD No focus shift and better corrected in general Renders with more 3D pop Tough decision ahead. 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alainD Posted March 8, 2021 Share #450 Posted March 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Steven said: Not the ideal testing scenario, I know, but here is a side by side teaser: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19ip40S6cLld7I2pF0yBsSjpVLQwjDhHI?usp=sharing Thank you very much for posting this. When I look at the details in the hair highlights, the APO is doing a much better job than the other ones. The background is nicely rendered, although maybe in a modern way (makes me think of the 75mm Noctilux). Another thing that stood up was the strong apparent field curvature of the cron v4: the far edges look sharper than the mid field. I guess it is a matter of taste, but I’ve always had a hard time working with a lens with strong field curvature... or with focus shift, for that matter. Alain 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtoleica Posted March 8, 2021 Share #451 Posted March 8, 2021 Very helpful comparisons. Thankyou. The 35 Pre FLE LUX ASPH has been my most used Leica lens, but sometimes it can be a bit busy, not as bad as the FLE or the 50 Lux, but sometimes. Since getting an APO 50 I've really grown to love how that renders, the 3-dimensionality without 'distraction' in the bokeh. I'm now on the list the 35 APO and will have to shift some gear to pay for it! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted March 8, 2021 Share #452 Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) Mmmh. It's not so simple evaluate these lens with those pictures. What I see is, as alainD wrote, the APO has a 75-Noctilux-like rendering but, to me, the sense of air and reality macro-contrast is more present in the V4. I don't know why but it's a feeling looking at the pictures. I love the 75 Noctilux rendering because it's creamy and lifelike but this APO, though iper-realistic, is not so lifelike and I do like its bokeh! Edited March 8, 2021 by sarav Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share #453 Posted March 8, 2021 43 minutes ago, sarav said: the sense of air and reality macro-contrast is more present Not sure I understand what that means 😳 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahesh Posted March 8, 2021 Share #454 Posted March 8, 2021 15 hours ago, Steven said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is the first picture that I really liked Steven. I see what you mean by hyper realism there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted March 8, 2021 Share #455 Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Steven said: Here is another 35mm side by side from my collection of lenses. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LVrHORA_gF0MuZLF-adGdD5tW2BzKqHS?usp=sharing Participating in the side by side: Summilux Pre Asph v1 at f1.4 Summicron V4 at F2 Nokton Classic MC v1 at f1.4 Summilux Pre Fle at F1.4 and F2 Summicron APO at F2 ... Tough decision ahead. Very interesting, thanks for posting. The 'Lux Pre-ASPH indoor shot looks rather soft, I wonder if that is the lens or something about the particular capture, because its outdoor shot looks considerably better. The Nokton is doing well in the comparison, considering its low price. Edited March 8, 2021 by Danner spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share #456 Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Danner said: Very interesting, thanks for posting. The 'Lux Pre-ASPH indoor shot looks rather soft, I wonder if that is the lens or something about the particular capture, because its outdoor shot looks considerably better. The Nokton is doing well in the comparison, considering its low price. Mmmmmmm my lux pre asph is always soft. Sometimes more than other depending the light source. That's why I like it. Also, the outside shot, as you can see in the name of the file, is shot at F2 while the indoor shot is at F1.4, and looks about right to me. Keep in mind that the pre asph is a two in one lens. Soft and Glowy at 1.4. Sharp like a cron at F2 and further stopped down. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 8, 2021 Share #457 Posted March 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Mahesh said: This is the first picture that I really liked Steven. I see what you mean by hyper realism there. +1. And in contrast to 35-Lux-FLE, no/only weak tendency for double-line oof rendering (in this case on the Eiffel Tower). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 8, 2021 Share #458 Posted March 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Steven said: Major observation: -The APO at F2 when compared to the pre FLE seems to ressemble more an F1.4 than an F2. I took many shots in many scenarios, and every time the APO at F2 looked much more as the F1.4 shot from the pre FLE than the F2 shot. I dont know if its a trick, but in terms of DOF, the APO just compares to an F1.4, not an F2 lens. I spent a happy hour discussing this with Peter Karbe - it's true of all the modern APO summicrons. Basically it's because they have almost twice as much contrast when in focus, but the focus drops off very quickly when going out of focus, which gives the impression of a wider aperture . . . . I have a diagram he drew for me, but basically this gives the explanation: Although this is a comparison of 75s, the same thing works - it's getting rid of the colour aberrations which gives you such high contrast. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318545-the-leica-apo-summicron-m-35mm-f2-asph-first-impressions/?do=findComment&comment=4156346'>More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted March 8, 2021 Share #459 Posted March 8, 2021 38 minutes ago, jonoslack said: I spent a happy hour discussing this with Peter Karbe - it's true of all the modern APO summicrons. Basically it's because they have almost twice as much contrast when in focus, but the focus drops off very quickly when going out of focus, which gives the impression of a wider aperture . . . . I have a diagram he drew for me, but basically this gives the explanation: Although this is a comparison of 75s, the same thing works - it's getting rid of the colour aberrations which gives you such high contrast. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Hi Joni. Is it the same with the Leica M 75 APO and Leica M 90 APO ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 8, 2021 Share #460 Posted March 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: Hi Joni. Is it the same with the Leica M 75 APO and Leica M 90 APO ? Yes Kim Possibly to a lesser extent, but I feel the 'look' is very similar Steven put it very well: "the APO seems to give a smoother and more blurred bokeh with the face in the center still has more details and his sharper." But I really don't think this is limited to this lens - I think it extends right across all the APO lenses. best 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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