M10M Firmware Update

[Keith (M)]

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I just read elsewhere that there is an update which adds 'Perspective Control' to the 'Capture Assistants' menu.  It 3.21.2.50 and is available here.

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[John Black]

Updated the M10-M and M10-R without issue.  The perspective correction adds tags for Lightroom, so Lightroom users will benefit.  I use Capture One, so no upside there.  

Considering that the level guides in the M10-M and M10-R aren't very sensitive / accurate, it'll be interesting to see what people think of the perspective correction results.

[SrMi]

I have been beta testing the perspective control feature and found it to be very useful.

[sml_photo]

I haven't done a firmware update for a long time (with the M-P (240)).  I don't recall...do my existing custom setups and profiles remain or is the camera essentially reset after installing the new firmware?  Is it recommended to save the current existing settings and load them to the M10M after installing the update?

Thanks.

[erudolph]

The perspective control feature is not being recognized by Lightroom classic 10.1.1

[Gobert]

1 hour ago, sml_photo said:

I haven't done a firmware update for a long time (with the M-P (240)).  I don't recall...do my existing custom setups and profiles remain or is the camera essentially reset after installing the new firmware?  Is it recommended to save the current existing settings and load them to the M10M after installing the update?

Thanks.

That’s how I do it always.

[SrMi]

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5 hours ago, erudolph said:

The perspective control feature is not being recognized by Lightroom classic 10.1.1

You are correct, it does not work with the latest LrC or ACR. The tags are in the DNG file, but Adobe is not able to apply the changes.

It works great with M10-R files.

(Of course, PC works on JPG files)

Edited January 30, 2021 by SrMi

[Ken Abrahams]

So we can’t use the update is intended for yet. I will wait until it’s useable in LRc before I update 

[dkmoore]

On 1/29/2021 at 7:28 PM, SrMi said:

You are correct, it does not work with the latest LrC or ACR. The tags are in the DNG file, but Adobe is not able to apply the changes.

It works great with M10-R files.

(Of course, PC works on JPG files)

That is strange. It works for me in LR classic. 

There are some Adobe updates that were pushed. Did you update ?

 

I have the subscription model so I’m assuming I have 10.1.1 but I’ll double check. 

[SrMi]

53 minutes ago, dkmoore said:

That is strange. It works for me in LR classic. 

There are some Adobe updates that were pushed. Did you update ?

 

I have the subscription model so I’m assuming I have 10.1.1 but I’ll double check. 

Yes,  I have the latests LrC and have even installed the latest prerelease ACR (13.2). 

To clarify: you are using DNGs created by M10 Monochrom and you can click on "Guided" & "Off" button in "Transform" panel to turn perspective correction on and off? Mac or Widows?

[dkmoore]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

Yes,  I have the latests LrC and have even installed the latest prerelease ACR (13.2). 

To clarify: you are using DNGs created by M10 Monochrom and you can click on "Guided" & "Off" button in "Transform" panel to turn perspective correction on and off? Mac or Widows?

I used JPEG and downloaded the images to LR and they imported with the in camera correction. 
 

If memory serves, this doesn’t work with DNG. 

[SrMi]

2 minutes ago, dkmoore said:

I used JPEG and downloaded the images to LR and they imported with the in camera correction. 
 

If memory serves, this doesn’t work with DNG. 

The JPEGs have the perspective correction burned-in. All is done in-camera, and the correction is not reversible. Anyone will see the correction applied. 

With DNG files, the perspective correction is passed in EXIF parameters. Adobe software should be able to understand those parameters and apply them to the DNG. The perspective correction is reversible and adjustable. It does work for M10-R, but it does not work for M10-M.

[dkmoore]

3 hours ago, SrMi said:

The JPEGs have the perspective correction burned-in. All is done in-camera, and the correction is not reversible. Anyone will see the correction applied. 

With DNG files, the perspective correction is passed in EXIF parameters. Adobe software should be able to understand those parameters and apply them to the DNG. The perspective correction is reversible and adjustable. It does work for M10-R, but it does not work for M10-M.

Ah, I misunderstood the issue.  And come to think about it, I only tested this firmware using the M10R.  I appreciate the correction. 

[KEL]

I wonder whether (and when) Capture One will support this feature. I like the software and am used to the workflow, however would love to use this automatic perspective  correction.

[Bikie John]

 I have just tried it out on M10-P and M10 Mono, with Lightroom and ACR/Photoshop. On the M10-P it works pretty much as expected - provided you have all the right options set, the raw file will display in LR with the correction applied. And you can turn it off if you want. If any of the options are not set the raw file displays as normal but the correction can be applied with the "Guided" setting under image transform. This is even with the camera option set to OFF, and I think it is rather nice.

Doing exactly the same with the M10 Mono, I just cannot get LR or ACR to understand the camera corrections at all. Camera option on or off, Live View or not, import defaults set or not - nothing works. The raw file displays as shot and the Guided transform option has no effect. The only benefits are that IF you have the camera option set On, AND use Live View, you will see the dancing rectangle, and the in-camera JPG files will be corrected.

I think this is a bug. Sadly I really don't have the energy to engage with Leica or Adobe on it, as I can foresee them just passing the blame to each other.

John

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, Bikie John said:

 I have just tried it out on M10-P and M10 Mono, with Lightroom and ACR/Photoshop. On the M10-P it works pretty much as expected - provided you have all the right options set, the raw file will display in LR with the correction applied. And you can turn it off if you want. If any of the options are not set the raw file displays as normal but the correction can be applied with the "Guided" setting under image transform. This is even with the camera option set to OFF, and I think it is rather nice.

Doing exactly the same with the M10 Mono, I just cannot get LR or ACR to understand the camera corrections at all. Camera option on or off, Live View or not, import defaults set or not - nothing works. The raw file displays as shot and the Guided transform option has no effect. The only benefits are that IF you have the camera option set On, AND use Live View, you will see the dancing rectangle, and the in-camera JPG files will be corrected.

I think this is a bug. Sadly I really don't have the energy to engage with Leica or Adobe on it, as I can foresee them just passing the blame to each other.

John

I have reported the issue with M10-Monochrom to Leica.

[strohscw]

The same here, think I did all needed settings, but Lightroom seems not to recognize it.

[erudolph]

8 hours ago, SrMi said:

I have reported the issue with M10-Monochrom to Leica.

Victoria Brampton, the Lightroom Queen, asked me to send her an M10M file with perspective correction info on it, which I did.   She said she'd forward it to someone she knows at Adobe.

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[Bikie John]

I raised a query with Leica in the UK. They got back within a few hours having spoken to HQ and said:

"It has been confirmed to us by our colleagues based in the headquarters that the perspective control for the Leica M10 Monochrome is not yet supported by Adobe Lightroom, but Adobe will fix this with the next update."

I have responded to ask if anyone has any idea when that might be, but of course since the ball in in Adobe´s court it is not really down to Leica. It is frustrating - and odd, given that it works so well with the M10-P and -R, and the -R has virtually the same sensor as the Monochrom.

John

[japo]

I was not waiting for the gadget "perspective control", all things one can do in LR,  but for the solving of the "freezing" problem.

Unfortunately after installing the upgrade 3,21,2,50 on my m10m, the freezing keeps going on !!