Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f1.4ii or Ultron 35mm f2

[mheine]

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vor 23 Minuten schrieb Steven:

You owe me five minutes of my life

I would if I could! And I hope you will use them to actual use your gear and not just writing about it. 🙂

[mheine]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb Steven:

A little hypocrite from someone who spends time roaming on gear forums. I wonder how would you feel if the YouTube reviewers you follow and the people of this forum stopped sharing their experience so that you can make you decision, or learn. 

You seem to need a little more coherence in your life. As for me using my gear, I've taken in the past 15 years precisely 612,812 photos with it. This doesnt not include the videos, the photos I've deleted, and the film photos. This is just the 17TB sitting in my dropbox right now, iPhone excluded, and not one brick wall photos out of the 600k. So I think I can spare 5 minutes to write on a forum. Although I might stop soon if I have to continue wasting my time with trolls. 

 

Gerade eben schrieb Steven:

And by the way, instead of judging people you dont know on the internet, you should spend a little more time finding your identity. Being influenced is a good thing, but make sure it doesn't make you disappear. But I'm sure I'm not the first person to tell you that.... 

Seriously, you are the perfect example of a so-called "gear head", that's probably the reason you're so pissed right now. And I am on holiday right now and as I take the Corona thing super serious, I am at home and have some time at the moment. 🙂

And sorry that you couldn't handle my response to your disrespectful "You owe me five minutes of my life". I think this shows even more who actually a troll is … and I don't hang on gear forums to get attention for my spendings, I am here to help people who are not sure about gear, photography in general or need some advice / experience. 

But don't take this any further, it doesn't make sense at all and I don't want to waste others time. 

So, please back to the topic, Nokton f1.4 II vs. Ultron f2.0!

Still, have a nice day.

[Cobram]

19 minutes ago, Steven said:

A little hypocrite from someone who spends time roaming on gear forums. I wonder how would you feel if the YouTube reviewers you follow and the people of this forum stopped sharing their experience so that you can make you decision, or learn. 

You seem to need a little more coherence in your life. As for me using my gear, I've taken in the past 15 years precisely 612,812 photos with it. This doesnt not include the videos, the photos I've deleted, and the film photos. This is just the 17TB sitting in my dropbox right now, iPhone excluded, and not one brick wall photos out of the 600k. So I think I can spare 5 minutes to write on a forum. Although I might stop soon if I have to continue wasting my time with trolls. 

Total number of posts on LUF:

 - Steven --> 1766

 - mheine --> 57

 

I actually agree with both of you guys, Leica 3D feeling is something special (for me), but CV Color Skopar 21/4 (as well as Cron and Lux) rewarded me with many great memories and spectacular photos. 

I wish both of you will post more of your work on LUF in the future. I don't have instagram account... 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Cobram

[mheine]

vor 24 Minuten schrieb Steven:

My comment was my honest answer to your disrespectful accusations, such as me posting expensive gear on instagram to look cool, something that I dont do, or your supposition of me not being able to get one shot in focus with my expensive gear, which I do.

More generally, you put people down for enjoying their gear, and wanting to share their experience on gear oriented forum. I've seem many people like you come and go. "It's not about the gear, it's about the photographer bla bla bla...." and it's just frustrating to have to deal with it. It didn't start from something personal, but from an accumulation of posts like yours, carrying a judgment to people who like to buy gear, reducing us to photographer who take all photos "with bad focus and bad composition", I quote you. 

You keep saying that you are "sorry for us the gear heads" and that "we look embarrassing". I know exactly what kind of photographer you are. Sorry if this sounds insulting, but you belong to a group of young hipsters, German instragramers influenced by the photography of Andre Josselin. Seeing more and more around these days. So like Andre Josselin, you bought an M10, you got his favourite lens, the Nokton 35 1.4, and you started taking all the same photos than him and nothing else. So thanks but don't come patronise us and telling us what's embarrassing and not. 

I know I am totally overreacting to this. I could have ignored your post, move on with my day. But my glass of water was full today. You were the last drop. 

Still, have a nice day. 

I don't know what you're posting on Instagram as I don't follow you, I only looked for a second on your account, that's it. 

You still don't get it, my message is: "Buy it if it does make sense to you but don't because many are praising it." I am everything but a hipster, haha! You shouldn't judge people without knowing them personal. 🙂
I bought me the Q (Josselin hates that cam) because I wanted a smaller FF camera. Later, I sold my Sony (he doesn't't like Sony as well and I had Sony for 8 years) because I didn't use it anymore but as I still wanted a 35mm f1.4 ( as compact as possible), I got the M10 + Voigtlander. But I would never buy gear because of anyone else. And, as said, I have the ZEISS which is the complete opposite of the Voigtlander, I love it but I don't use it very often, even it's "better". 

And I want to warn people of buying such expensive stuff if they use it only for personal stuff and may regret the decision (as many before). I spot so many Leica cameras / lenses on the used market that are not older than 2 months, this clearly shows that many are buying way too quickly and regret it afterwards.

So, if you have a bad day, I am okay with it. As said dozen of times before, I don't have anything personal against you or anyone else on this forum, so stay cool and respect others opinions.  

[mheine]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb Steven:

Ah ok, you bought a Q, you're not Andre Josselin then. You're different. I will disregard these two photos posted a couple weeks after Josselin, along with 20 more similar examples.

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Thanks for sharing my content, haha! This is getting even more childish now.

That newspaper shot I originally did is this one, look at the posted date, 9th January 2020 - Josselin's shot was posted later that year later, so where did I "copy" something? 
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7G9vIOIBNJ/ 

And just because I am happy to spot a neon sign in my neighborhood (love neon signs BTW and Munich doesn't have much) doesn't mean I am copying someone? Even better, my girlfriend did that picture and didn't know Josselin that time, she barely had a camera in her hands before - so, as said, don't judge if you don't know someone. 🙂

And I didn't know I am copying someone when taking pictures but thankfully you have opened my eyes now. 

Take a nap and relax, really. 

[Dennis]

Mr @colonel

Being the OP, what's you decision so far? Ultron (v1-v2) or Nokton? 🤔

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Dennis

[colonel]

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1 minute ago, Dennis said:

Mr @colonel

Being the OP, what's you decision so far? Ultron (v1-v2) or Nokton? 🤔

 

hi there

Nokton 35mm f1.4 ii MC VM

Fantastic

see first 28 or so pictures here:

http://harold.co.il

Edited March 16, 2021 by colonel

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38 minutes ago, Steven said:

Apologies @colonel for this little show. Let's get back to a constructive conversation, where no one accuses people to copy other photographers, and no one accuses people to buy expensive lens just to show them off on instagram. 

Steven, and this is said with respect, you kinda open yourself to this kind of criticism. Whether it's valid or not I don't care but I see why it can come about. You've posted north of three times more on the forum since September 2020 than I have in all the years since I joined in and that by itself opens you up to be a target if you like, you are a "squeaky wheel".

I don't do, will not do, refuse to play on any social media at all, ( hopefully this Leica Forum doesn't count as such.....it's the only one I have signed up to ), but I see and hear of many people who ultimately regret their over-indulgences in such sites and I suspect that this is not the only social media website you inhabit. That's fine, that's your bag, it's not mine, but perhaps holding back more might serve you better.

Again a reminder, this is said with respect. We are all. thankfully, different animals but we inhabit a common place.

This forum is generally a quiet one, it's mostly respectful and I like it for that. I don't agree with a lot of what's said on posts, I don't like most of what's published as images, I am saddened when posts become all about the gear and not the aim, but I try to keep quiet about that, quieten my opinions...........But it's bloody hard to bite the tongue at times.

You seem to be fortunate to be able to indulge in the acquisition of expensive Leica stuff more easily, more often than most and good luck to you on that but surely you must understand that rightly or wrongly this can piss some people off royally, call it jealousy if you wish, fiscal immaturity or whatever, it doesn't matter.....I do thank you however for supporting so well one of my favourite camera companies as much as you do because I need them to survive if only to repair my stuff, but if I were you I'd peddle back on it all.

Did I mention that this is said respectfully?

a'bientot...Peter

[mheine]

vor 38 Minuten schrieb colonel:

hi there

Nokton 35mm f1.4 ii MC VM

Fantastic

see first 28 or so pictures here:

http://harold.co.il

Oh nice! I hope you'll enjoy the lens as much as I do, good decision! 🙂

[mheine]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Steven:

You still don't get it either. This is the kind of comments that infuriated me in the first place. How do you know that the 35 APO is "overhyped", I quote you? Have you tried it, or do you just like to piss on 5 years of development because you're more clever than others? By doing this, you are just making yourself not credible (judging a lens you havent tried) and you are reducing to dust the opinions of those who actually tried it (like me)!!!!!! How do you know it won't make my photography better ?! it will, in many ways. And not by helping me to focus, or compose, like you disrespectfully suggested I could not. 

You can't tell people that a lens you have NOT tried is overhyped. That's all there is to it mate. 

Ups, didn't see that post. First, I have never said that you can't focus correctly or compose, I didn't even talk about your photography in general. Just like that Instagram comment, that wasn't related to your profile at all. 

Second, I don't have to use a lens / gear to have an opinion about it - never had a Canon but I know they are too big for me. I am 100% sure the APO is as good as my ZEISS, probably even better when it comes to sharpness, vignetting, corner sharpness and so on. As I have mentioned several times before, maybe your next investment should be glasses, the APO is a super high class lens, probably "the holy grail" when it comes to modern / perfect rendering and I don't even have to try it out to say this. 
But as I don't like those attributes for my kind of photography or personal stuff (like many others), I am not interested in that lens, not at all. So, I don't say I am more clever or anything like that (seriously, you twist words so often), I just know that it's not the type of lens I want on my M and I still don't know for whom it's meant except professionals like landscape photographers that print. Yes - Leica can built such lenses, yes - it's (almost?) perfect on image terms but yet it's just another 35mm f2.0. So, buy it if you can afford it and it makes sense to you, as always. 

That's it, nothing more, nothing less. 

[giannis]

2 hours ago, mheine said:

meant except professionals like landscape photographers that print.

I doubt that. Professional photography is all about cost-benefit analysis and return on investment. The difference in resolving power is overemphasised between modern lenses, we're way past the point of diminishing returns. No cost-benefit analysis of any professional will justify a huge price for 5-10% extra resolution. If you need more resolution, you shoot medium format and you get a healthy 100-200% *increase* compared to just a sharper lens. Professionals will pay for something that makes or breaks the shot (like AF for a sports photographer, or weather sealing, or a leaf shutter, etc.), not for diminishing returns in resolution when you can get *dramatic* increase jumping format or even using a higher resolution body.

Of course all this is ignoring the elephant in the room, that in most major niches of photography, rangefinders are non existent. Architectural uses/needs tilt/shift lenses, sports needs AF, weddings need zooms and AF, commercial/product needs macro and accurate framing, portrait likes leaf shutters and fancy strobe setups, etc. etc. .

 

In the end of the day, a lens like the Apo and its class is just for people who like it and can afford it without caring about ROI or amortisation. Meanwhile paving the way in optical design, inventing manufacturing techniques etc., which can be used in other applications too. Or "future-proofing" for future higher res bodies where the difference might be slightly higher.

 

[lct]

2 hours ago, mheine said:

I just know that it's not the type of lens I want on my M and I still don't know for whom it's meant

It is meant for the same people you are criticising here i.e. those who can afford it.You know, doctors, dentists, lawyers and the like . Forget pro photogs most of them are not wealthy enough and don't shoot rangefinders anyway .

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27 minutes ago, lct said:

It is meant for the same people you are criticising here i.e. those who can afford it.You know, doctors, dentists, lawyers and the like . Forget pro photogs most of them are not wealthy enough and don't shoot rangefinders anyway .

Or it could be the man that worked all his life in a factory and got a lump sum from his 45 years of paying into a pension and wanted a top class leica lens just like he always dreamed of getting?

A lot of stereotyping on this thread of in my view.

[lct]

5 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

Or it could be the man that worked all his life in a factory and got a lump sum from his 45 years of paying into a pension and wanted a top class leica lens just like he always dreamed of getting?

A lot of stereotyping on this thread of in my view.

Nice story .

[Dennis]

2 hours ago, steve 1959 said:

Or it could be the man that worked all his life in a factory and got a lump sum from his 45 years of paying into a pension and wanted a top class leica lens just like he always dreamed of getting?

Or

For my 40th birthday, I spent $10k for an M10 and handgrip, spare battery, thumbs up, and 28 Elmarit Asph. Previously, my most significant investment was the Nikon D5, about $6k. Before that, my most expansive lens was the Nikon 58/1.4G (around $1.6k). I always worked with what I had available. Let me give you an example. Never own more than the stuff I use. 

I'm not a 45-year-factory-working man, but I assure you that I loved my 40th gift, I really deserved it. It was a life-changer, honestly. But I spent the first week asking myself... Are you sure? 😆

Edited March 17, 2021 by Dennis

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1 hour ago, Steven said:

I don't match any of the "portrait robot" listed here, yet I have the APO 35. 

What is a "portrait robot"?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Dennis said:

Or

For my 40th birthday, I spent $10k for an M10 and handgrip, spare battery, thumbs up, and 28 Elmarit Asph. Previously, my most significant investment was the Nikon D5, about $6k. Before that, my most expansive lens was the Nikon 58/1.4G (around $1.6k). I always worked with what I had available. Let me give you an example. Never own more than the stuff I use. 

I'm not a 45-year-factory-working man, but I assure you that I loved my 40th gift, I really deserved it. It was a life-changer, honestly. But I spent the first week asking myself... Are you sure? 😆

That is my point really, "mheime" and "lct" are labeling leica buyers as certain set types especially if they buy very expensive gear  but that is total nonsense and too simplistic.

What if a person finds the 35mm apo to have beautiful rendering which they love?   are they totally wrong ? 

My pension came out and after reading about leica while using my minolta x-700 for 30 years and bought my m262 and 4 lenses for about £11,000 and i love my leica stuff so its a dream come true.

Ps i did have a mamiya c330 s which was expensive in 1990 but stupidly sold it.

[lct]

1 hour ago, steve 1959 said:

That is my point really, "mheime" and "lct" are labeling leica buyers as certain set types especially if they buy very expensive gear  but that is total nonsense and too simplistic.

Given that i won't be buying the 35/2 apo there must be exceptions confirming the rule

[tightsqueez]

mheine and Steven... the two of you just need to find one of those igloos, thanks to the pandemic, and get drunk. 
 

 

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[Ouroboros]

4 hours ago, tightsqueez said:

mheine and Steven... the two of you just need to find one of those igloos, thanks to the pandemic, and get drunk. 
 

 

Skimming through their recent posts, it seems they skipped the igloo.  I sometimes wonder what is happening to photography.