Voigtlander Nokton 35mm f1.4ii or Ultron 35mm f2

[Dennis]

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6 minutes ago, Shu said:

It's like having 2 lenses in one.

That! 

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[lct]

The CV 35/2 asph has a bit more acutance so feels more "modern" than the CV 35/1.4 SC v2 from this viewpoint. I cannot speak for the MC version but CV is a bit like Leica from this viewpoint. If it's not asph it is not clinical, if it is asph it may be so. As for apo asph lenses being super sharp w/o being "clinical" ... 🙈🙉🙊.

[anickpick]

still, I find the 50 Apo much less brutal on skin than the 75 Summarit for example. 

 

[Dennis]

1 hour ago, lct said:

As for apo asph lenses being super sharp w/o being "clinical"

Which ones, if you don't mind?

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[lct]

10 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Which ones, if you don't mind?

🤔

Don't ask me please i'm too old to believe in Santa Claus

[Guest]

On 3/14/2021 at 3:50 PM, SoarFM said:

I have an order in for the Noctilux 😳. I don’t consider myself very wealthy and feel a little self conscious with the amount of money I spent on the M and a couple lenses this year, I continuously have doubts as to whether I should cancel my order. But I have been working continuously for the last 43 years, more if you count my high school jobs which included full time summer work in furniture factories. Does that mean I deserve to shoot with Leica’s? Of course not. I am extremely fortunate that I can do this without shortchanging anybody that depends on me. I am also keenly aware that my years on this earth are not unlimited and whether or not I produce any work that any serious people will ever admire I derive a great deal of satisfaction from my photography, I enjoy the craft and the art. My father is 94 years old and while he also practiced photography and used my darkroom and then went to digital, alas he is no longer able to do any of this. You may not be able to practice this art until the day you die... Remember that.

On a less serious note. I also have 2 Noktons. The 50/1.2, the  35/1.2. I also have the 50/2.0 APO Lanthar. They are all cracking good lenses, really good, but I might not be as attuned as some of you. The 50/1.2 really has me rethinking the Noctilux purchase and the APO Lanthar has allayed my yen for an APO Summicron. My kit is fully operational and not limiting, time to think less of gear and more about photographs.

If you get a chance check out the "guam photographer" on youtube as he does some nice comparison pics with the "mandler! noctilux and the nokton 1.1 and 1.2 lenses,with some beautiful pictures.

[flf]

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Have anyone noticed that the Ultron F2 has 1 ASPH glass AND 1 APO glass in its optics scheme?

[lct]

2 hours ago, flf said:

Have anyone noticed that the Ultron F2 has 1 ASPH glass AND 1 APO glass in its optics scheme?

Asph yes but apo is the Lanthar IMHO.

[flf]

45 minutes ago, lct said:

Asph yes but apo is the Lanthar IMHO.

I meant, that even if not called APO, the Ultron F2 35 Asph, has 1 Abnormal partial dispertion lens!
The APO has Many of them, but still, I think only the Nokton 50 1.2 and the Ultron F2 has 1 of those also!

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APO-Lanthar

 

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[lct]

Well i'm no techie at all so take what i say with a lump of salt but as clear as i understand, at least one lens element has to have abnormal dispersion properties for the lens to be apo but it is not a sufficient condition for that. Don't ask me more please, my level of incompetence is reached already.

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Spherical is a beautiful word.

[TheBestSLIsALeicaflex]

On 3/17/2021 at 4:12 AM, Steven said:

I am happy that someone is finally starting to understand my point. There's nothing wrong with someone wanting the best lens that is made, even if his skills aren't there to take the most advantage of it. Someone who hasn't tried that lens should not give an opinion on what that lens is worth, IMO. Saying a double AA is ridiculously priced compared to a pre FLE without trying it, that's understandable, fine. But saying the APO is overhyped by people praising without having tried it, that does not make sense to me. But what makes even lens sense to me is to be reduced to a "gear head" or a even worst a "show off" by someone who believes that others don't need anything more than what he uses. Especially if that person was not even born when the one who purchased the APO already had a camera in his hands. What works for some does not work for others and vice versa. There is no need to stereotype people by the stuff they buy. Everyone buys what makes them happy. In my case, what attracts me with the APO is not the corner sharpness or the lack of CA, but the fact that it is, after trying it, the only lens in my knowledge that can import the Q2 look to an M camera. If ones likes that look and can spare 7,5K, why not ? 

I really didn't expect to be told not talk about my gear acquisition.... on a gear forum! I can afford to be impulsive and buy nice stuff. No need for people to become jealous. On the contrary, I thought it could be useful to the people who need to think a little more than me before purchasing to hear my first impressions and my feedback on the gear I buy ! 

Well, I just bought myself a new 35. One I have been dreaming of. Unfortunately, I paid 19K for it. I was exited to share my experience with it, but now I might just keep it for myself by fear of upsetting people for buying stuff that in theoretically don't need to take a photo. Because of course, I don't need my new 19k lens to take photos. Actually, I took over 600k photos already without it. But it doesnt mean that it's not nice to get it if I can and if I want at the same time. 

There's an old saying in photography that goes something like this -- beginners talk about equipment, amateurs talk about composition, but experts talk about light. Historically, Leica owners have purchased the newest and latest from Leica, because ... well, it's from Leica, better than all else, only to replaced later when Leica produces something new.  It's never that B&W, and most of us have been in each of those categories, or still spread across them, but when you have been around the block so often, like many on this forum, you tend to view Leica for what it is; just overpriced toys, in no way determinative of the quality of pictures when it is used.  Now, their camera bodies are unique, even in the film days, due to the lack of competition, but since the M mount lost its' patent protection, there's equally good alternative for far less dinero from third parties.  So to suggest you dropped 10-20K on a Leica lens because it is the "best" or what you "needed" or satisfied a current "want" makes no sense to some, and for others an outrageous first world statement.  Maybe this is why there's some push back.  

Edited April 7, 2021 by TheBestSLIsALeicaflex

[lct]

Not sure i would go on the Ferrari forum to complain about expensive cars but i'm more interested in optical qualities of "steel rim" 35/1.4 (flare? focus shift?) and 35/1.4 AA (CA? focus shift?) than their price on the s/h market i must say.

[lct]

56 minutes ago, Steven said:

I could not agree more. I never talked about the price, by the way. People just know the price. I love both these lenses. Happy to tell you more about them if you care. 

It could be interesting to know how those lenses perform actually. Is it true that the 35/1.4 AA is one of the worst 35's as far as CA for instance. Or that the steel rim flares more than the 35/1.4 v2. Rumors to confirm or infirm at least.

[lct]

14 minutes ago, Steven said:

Havent noticed any yet, after two weeks of use.. Should I look in the center, in the corners, or everywhere ?

Corners at full aperture is a good test generally.

[Lee S]

On 3/19/2021 at 7:02 PM, Dennis said:

 😆 

Let's do one MFD 💩 challenge.. Just kidding!

Back on topic: For the CV Nokton II MC owners, I would like to know more about the lens behavior in the 1.4-2.8 range.
At f/2, is considerably less glow and sharper than f/1.4? 
Can you compare the IQ @ f/2.8 with the 35/2.8 Biogon? Or it's asking so much? Maybe f/4-5.6 🤷‍♂️
My point is: If the lens is "modern" and sharp since f/4, and with a unique character wide open or so, I think it could be an exciting combination. Maybe this is one of the things many people like about this lens.

I have both lenses and will try and do a comparison this weekend. The C Biogon will be sharper across the frame I know that for sure.

Do you have a particular distance in mind for the test? 

 

 

[SoarFM]

5 hours ago, TheBestSLIsALeicaflex said:

There's an old saying in photography that goes something like this -- beginners talk about equipment, amateurs talk about composition, but experts talk about light.

An internet forum lends itself most easily to discussions about equipment and the expertise available is really quite amazing and deep. I'm not sure I've seen a meaningful discussion on light, not because light isn't important, but what exactly shall we discuss about light? And I'm not being snarky. I am constantly trying to improve as a photographer and to produce meaningful photos and collections of photos. I am an avid consumer of other peoples photographs, mostly through photo books. I try to absorb the work of others, I'm convinced that if I don't know what a good photograph is I'll never stand a chance of improving my own. I've heard photographers talk about the importance of a good editor, well my editor is me.

I'd love to talk about light, but to be honest, I think most peoples discussion about how a lens renders and perhaps it's bokeh at various apertures is really a discussion about light. I posted a couple pictures in the Noctilux thread, not to garner likes or to share my photographic vision but to share how that particular lens rendered on bright, high noon, sunlight. I was a little reluctant to post since the photographs were really just examples rather than a show of what I consider good photography. But they were really about light.

[Guest JMF]

1 hour ago, lct said:

It could be interesting to know how those lenses perform actually. Is it true that the 35/1.4 AA is one of the worst 35's as far as CA for instance. Or that the steel rim flares more than the 35/1.4 v2. Rumors to confirm or infirm at least.

Untrue and untrue. With a light source near the  edge of frame for example, both v1 and v2 pre asph summilux will flare :

 

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The purpose of hand grounded aspherical lenses is to avoid CA. You may refer to other lenses such as the Nocti Nikkor 58 1.2.

Best, JM.

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[lct]

16 minutes ago, JMF said:

Untrue and untrue. 

I suspect one of the "untrue" is too untrue to be true at least . Any steel rim's pic with flare for instance? 

[lct]

28 minutes ago, Steven said:

IT's not totally sharp, less than the FLE for sure, but I dont see it as CA. I see it as the Leica glow 🤪 I embrace it. 

Glow on an asph lens? Another true thing too untrue to be true i suspect . Any piccies?