Simone_DF Posted September 24, 2021 Share #341 Posted September 24, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is probably because of the worldwide chips shortage. I'm just speculating, but Leica is a small company, it doesn't have the leverage of a big camera brand. Most tech news / analysts foresee the semiconductor crisis to continue until late 2022, compounded by the difficulty of finding highly skilled workers that could help ramp up production Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SiggiGun Posted September 24, 2021 Share #342 Posted September 24, 2021 vor 12 Stunden schrieb Simone_DF: This is probably because of the worldwide chips shortage. I'm just speculating, but Leica is a small company, it doesn't have the leverage of a big camera brand. Most tech news / analysts foresee the semiconductor crisis to continue until late 2022, compounded by the difficulty of finding highly skilled workers that could help ramp up production Yes, I agree however Leica is not only small, the company's market is small too. No idea, how many M11 Leica will ship in 2022 but I guess numbers will be under 10000 units 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2021 Share #343 Posted September 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Simone_DF said: This is probably because of the worldwide chips shortage. I'm just speculating, but Leica is a small company, it doesn't have the leverage of a big camera brand. Most tech news / analysts foresee the semiconductor crisis to continue until late 2022, compounded by the difficulty of finding highly skilled workers that could help ramp up production Plus the lead time. for the steppers and scanners to be built, minimum 2 years for the more simple ones, 5 for the advanced-chip ones, according to an Interview I heard with the ASML CEO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted September 24, 2021 Share #344 Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 1:02 PM, Steven said: M11 LAUNCH DELAYED Announcement now targeted for January 2022, due to some difficulties with the sourcing of an electronic component. Sorry to be the bad news bearer. And things could get worst.... OMG, wave our arms around in the air and panic, GAS is delayed yet again, and all those photos I missed with my M10 because I didn't have an M11! 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted September 24, 2021 Share #345 Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 250swb said: OMG, wave our arms around in the air and panic, GAS is delayed yet again, and all those photos I missed with my M10 because I didn't have an M11! Well at least it gives everyone more time to either happily speculate on the features/improvements the M11 will bring, or to bemoan how those self-same "improvements" will move the M11 away from the "Essence of the M" Edited September 24, 2021 by NigelG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share #346 Posted September 24, 2021 Gives me time to run more sandpaper over my m10r. By the time m11 arrives, my m10r will be all golden 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted September 24, 2021 Share #347 Posted September 24, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, Steven said: Gives me time to run more sandpaper over my m10r. By the time m11 arrives, my m10r will be all golden Or more time to hone your technique before the M11-BP hopefully arrives 😉 Unfortunately the Jim Marshall set at f22 is sold... https://f22cameras.com/en/leica-m-monochrom-jim-marshall-set but I think I did see an 'Asset Set' somewhere on my internet travels https://leicarumors.com/2019/09/28/new-leica-m10-p-sc-asset-limited-edition-brass-camera.aspx/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share #348 Posted October 15, 2021 So, I held the M11. I also saw a very early prototype of the Q3. And I also saw the next film M. Exiting times coming. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 15, 2021 Share #349 Posted October 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, Steven said: So, I held the M11. I also saw a very early prototype of the Q3. And I also saw the next film M. Exiting times coming. And were you excited by the CL2?????? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share #350 Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, LocalHero1953 said: And were you excited by the CL2?????? Sorry. Didn’t see anything resembling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 15, 2021 Share #351 Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Steven said: Sorry. Didn’t see anything resembling it. Bu88e7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted October 15, 2021 Share #352 Posted October 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, Steven said: So, I held the M11. I also saw a very early prototype of the Q3. And I also saw the next film M. Exiting times coming. Any details on the next film M? I'm guessing it's a M6 classic remake? Not a M6 TTL or M7? I think this would make it easier and cheaper to build since they could use a lot of the the same parts and assembly tooling they use for the currently produced MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share #353 Posted October 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Crem said: Any details on the next film M? I'm guessing it's a M6 classic remake? Not a M6 TTL or M7? I think this would make it easier and cheaper to build since they could use a lot of the the same parts and assembly tooling they use for the currently produced MP. Good guess. It’s exactly what it. The only thing you didn’t get quite right is that it will be cheaper. It won’t be that cheap of a camera. I think that leica prides themselves of being expensive. It’s synonym of quality and they don’t intend to sell the m6 remake for cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted October 15, 2021 Share #354 Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Steven said: Good guess. It’s exactly what it. The only thing you didn’t get quite right is that it will be cheaper. It won’t be that cheap of a camera. I think that leica prides themselves of being expensive. It’s synonym of quality and they don’t intend to sell the m6 remake for cheap. Thanks for the info on all this. I also agree that "cheap" probably isn't that "cheap". If I was a product manager at Leica I'd probably price it right around $4,000 USD without tax and make it a limited edition of 1000 units since we all know they won't be able to make enough of them. That makes it very attractive compared to a used M6 classic when I look at Ebay prices. So cheaper than the MP/M-A which is $5400 or so USD if you can even find one. I'm guessing it will share almost 100% of the internals of the MP. So really the "cheap" part is building it without a brass case and Leica willing to have a lower profit margin to test the market. All speculation of course. I have zero inside info. If they price it less than $4000 USD I will be in complete shock. I'm probably completely wrong and it will be more expensive than a MP. So maybe I should have said $8000 USD. This is a fun guessing game. Edited October 15, 2021 by Crem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted October 15, 2021 Share #355 Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Steven said: So, I held the M11. I also saw a very early prototype of the Q3. And I also saw the next film M. Exiting times coming. Where did you handle all of this? In Wetzlar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share #356 Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, Al Brown said: Where did you handle all of this? In Wetzlar? Nope. I think Wetzlar is the last place on earth where someone could walk in and see the m11 without permission. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted October 15, 2021 Share #357 Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, Crem said: Thanks for the info on all this. I also agree that "cheap" probably isn't that "cheap". If I was a product manager at Leica I'd probably price it right around $4,000 USD without tax and make it a limited edition of 1000 units since we all know they won't be able to make enough of them. That makes it very attractive compared to a used M6 classic when I look at Ebay prices. So cheaper than the MP/M-A which is $5400 or so USD if you can even find one. I'm guessing it will share almost 100% of the internals of the MP. So really the "cheap" part is building it without a brass case and Leica willing to have a lower profit margin to test the market. All speculation of course. I have zero inside info. If they price it less than $4000 USD I will be in complete shock. Limited edition is a very special thing to Leica. The M10-R which is *marketed* as limited edition is not an official limited edition at all. Officially, anything with *serial numbers engraved* is a limited edition, but a lot of things can be *marketed* as limited edition by Leica - yet they are just planned series. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted October 15, 2021 Share #358 Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, Steven said: Nope. I think Wetzlar is the last place on earth where someone could walk in and see the m11 without permission. I'm guessing you have a friend in the UK that happens to be a beta tester?😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share #359 Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Crem said: Thanks for the info on all this. I also agree that "cheap" probably isn't that "cheap". If I was a product manager at Leica I'd probably price it right around $4,000 USD without tax and make it a limited edition of 1000 units since we all know they won't be able to make enough of them. That makes it very attractive compared to a used M6 classic when I look at Ebay prices. So cheaper than the MP/M-A which is $5400 or so USD if you can even find one. I'm guessing it will share almost 100% of the internals of the MP. So really the "cheap" part is building it without a brass case and Leica willing to have a lower profit margin to test the market. All speculation of course. I have zero inside info. If they price it less than $4000 USD I will be in complete shock. There is one cosmetic changes from the regular M6, though. But I cannot tell you what it is. I do think that this cosmetic change will actually make the value of the old M6 rise even higher. Regarding the price, you won’t be shocked. No worries. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted October 15, 2021 Share #360 Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Steven said: Nope. I think Wetzlar is the last place on earth where someone could walk in and see the m11 without permission. I was there just yesterday. You are right. Peter Karbe did not say a word about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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