romualdo Posted January 11, 2021 Share #1 Posted January 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know there were only a limited number of LTM cron 50s produced (1160 according to Laney). Were they all chrome or did they make any black paint versions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 Hi romualdo, Take a look here Rigid Summicron 50 LTM - any in black paint?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted January 11, 2021 Share #2 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) Never officially listed... and I don't remember to have seen any (no one at auctions recorded at collectblend) : but the rigid LTM (SOSTA) was produced around the same timeframe when the BM version was made orderable in black (1960 around)... maybe some "special" can exist... anyway the few black LTM bodies ("swedish army") had not Summicron in their made-to-order set. Edited January 11, 2021 by luigi bertolotti 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 11, 2021 Share #3 Posted January 11, 2021 ive seen an M version in black paint, its possible its an LTM version + adapter ? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! i doubt its for sale but who knows > https://f22cameras.com/en/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! i doubt its for sale but who knows > https://f22cameras.com/en/ ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116211'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 11, 2021 Share #4 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) No, the rigid in screw mount has a different ring at the base , not 45° slanted, but vertical : moreover, they are all with single distance scale, afaik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 11, 2021 by luigi bertolotti 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116215'>More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 11, 2021 Share #5 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) No, this one is a genuine M version bayonet mount lens. The LTM version of the Summicron rigid did not have the outwardly slanted portion at the very end of the lens body, adjacent to the bayonet flange. Everything was possible at the time, but I doubt there is any black SOSTA lens, as there was no LTM body officially available in black at that time. I do seem to remember though having seen a black paint collapsible Summicron lens (I don't recall whether it was LTM or M). Cheers, Andy P.S.: Luigi beat me with regard to the base of the SOSTA lens 🙂 Edited January 11, 2021 by wizard 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 11, 2021 Share #6 Posted January 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, wizard said: P.S.: Luigi beat me with regard to the base of the SOSTA lens 🙂 (but the slant is not 45°... I wrote wrong... 🙄) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 11, 2021 Share #7 Posted January 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 1 Minute schrieb luigi bertolotti: (but the slant is not 45°... I wrote wrong... 🙄) I would not know the correct angle anyway (would have to measure it). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 11, 2021 Share #8 Posted January 11, 2021 @luigi bertolotti this site is a nice Covid-stay-home-but-lock-credit-card distraction https://f22cameras.com/en/lens?orderby=11&sc=25 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 11, 2021 Share #9 Posted January 11, 2021 Here is mine all silver and in feet as Luigi said Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116245'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2021 Share #10 Posted January 11, 2021 vor 5 Stunden schrieb luigi bertolotti: Never officially listed... and I don't remember to have seen any (no one at auctions recorded at collectblend) : but the rigid LTM (SOSTA) was produced around the same timeframe when the BM version was made orderable in black (1960 around)... maybe some "special" can exist... anyway the few black LTM bodies ("swedish army") had not Summicron in their made-to-order set. I think I remember having seen a photograph of a black paint IIIg with a black paint 8-lens Summicron 35mm, a black Leicavit and a black SBLOO. The set was attributed to the kit of Cartier - Bresson. It would make sense for a M3 user, who probably liked to see the FOV of his beloved 50mm even when occasionally using a 35mm lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 11, 2021 Share #11 Posted January 11, 2021 Yes, some Summicron 35 LTM black do exist (auctioned in the tens of thousands...) ; btw I remember that some do focus to 0,7m... probably factory conversions from BM... it's the 50 that I'm sure to have never seen in LTM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted January 11, 2021 thanks everyone for your input - confirms my suspicions btw, here's my LTM 50 cron on a IIIg Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116536'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 12, 2021 Share #13 Posted January 12, 2021 Well. apart the existent or no black one... I notice small variations : the front writing italic or capital, the IR marking, present or not... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 12, 2021 Share #14 Posted January 12, 2021 vor 12 Stunden schrieb romualdo: btw, here's my LTM 50 cron on a IIIg ... and here is mine. The combination looks like a twin of yours 🙂. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116713'>More sharing options...
Matlock Posted January 12, 2021 Share #15 Posted January 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, wizard said: ... and here is mine. The combination looks like a twin of yours 🙂. Slightly later Summicron. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116717'>More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 12, 2021 Share #16 Posted January 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, Matlock said: Slightly later Summicron. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! is that the Japanese special edition LTM version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share #17 Posted January 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, frame-it said: is that the Japanese special edition LTM version? looks like it to me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted January 12, 2021 Share #18 Posted January 12, 2021 Needless to say that this thread sent me again to my archves. I had black paint Summicron 50,of first and second models, but they were BM. And the LTM were chrome. Here are two images of serial 1704833. Never heard of black screw-mount. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116740'>More sharing options...
romualdo Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share #19 Posted January 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Pecole said: Needless to say that this thread sent me again to my archves. I had black paint Summicron 50,of first and second models, but they were BM. And the LTM were chrome. Here are two images of serial 1704833. Never heard of black screw-mount. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! now we have triplets Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted January 12, 2021 Share #20 Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, frame-it said: is that the Japanese special edition LTM version? Yes it is and I have the 35mm version as well. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316892-rigid-summicron-50-ltm-any-in-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=4116778'>More sharing options...
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