Kim Dahl Posted January 3, 2021 Share #1 Posted January 3, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can anyone tell. The entire M lens lens has been moved away from Germany or some ? Is there a brand new series m lenses prepared for made in Germany ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr No Posted January 3, 2021 Share #2 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Only some lenses. Because of US Tariffs. https://petapixel.com/2020/08/27/leica-unveils-line-of-made-in-portugal-lenses-that-are-cheaper-for-us-buyers/ Quote Summicron-M 28mm f/2 ASPH, Black – MiP Price: $4,395, German Price: $4,895 Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8 ASPH, Black – MiP Price: $2,295, German Price: $2,595 Summaron-M 28mm f/5.6, Silver – MiP Price: $2,595, German Price: $2,895 Summicron-M 35mm f/2 ASPH, Black – MiP Price: $3,295, German Price: $3,695 Summicron-M 35mm f/2 ASPH, Silver – MiP Price: $3,495, German Price: $3,895 Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH, Black – MiP Price: $3,995, German Price: $4,395 Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH, Silver – MiP Price: $4,195, German Price: $4,695 Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH, Black-Chrome – MiP Price: $4,595, German Price: $5,095 Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Black – MiP Price: $2,395, German Price: $2,695 Edited January 3, 2021 by Dr No Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 3, 2021 Share #3 Posted January 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Dr No said: Only some lenses. Because of US Tariffs. https://petapixel.com/2020/08/27/leica-unveils-line-of-made-in-portugal-lenses-that-are-cheaper-for-us-buyers/ Portugal is not in the EU ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 3, 2021 Share #4 Posted January 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, Dr No said: Only some lenses. Because of US Tariffs. I think it more accurate to say 'Only some lens are marked"Made in Portugal"..' Do not underestimate how much is made in Portugal - one factory, two sites. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 3, 2021 Share #5 Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, frame-it said: Portugal is not in the EU ? It is not in Germany. It is a German, not EU, tariff. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr No Posted January 3, 2021 Share #6 Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, pedaes said: I think it more accurate to say 'Only some lens are marked"Made in Portugal"..' Do not underestimate how much is made in Portugal - one factory, two sites. I don't underestimate. It's a simple and clever work around. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 3, 2021 Share #7 Posted January 3, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just now, pedaes said: It is not in Germany. It is a German, not EU, tariff. ah yes..:) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316662-brand-new-series-m-lenses-from-wetzlar/?do=findComment&comment=4111308'>More sharing options...
Danner Posted January 3, 2021 Share #8 Posted January 3, 2021 But, why aren't Portuguese made lenses 20% less expensive? Me thinks, something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 3, 2021 Share #9 Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, frame-it said: ah yes..:) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Exactly. So if ''Made in Portugal', no tarrif. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 3, 2021 Share #10 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Danner said: ut, why aren't Portuguese made lenses 20% less expensive? Thought they were - by not increasing in price by 25% ( of import value). Edited January 3, 2021 by pedaes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr No Posted January 3, 2021 Share #11 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Danner said: But, why aren't Portuguese made lenses 20% less expensive? Me thinks, something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Not really it's quite simple. The American market is one of the largest. An increase in price of 25% was enough to slow sales and have an impact on the company. Making lenses in Portugal (officially) means the price can return to 'normal' in America to avoid the Made in Germany Tariff. It's a clever and simple workaround. Edited January 3, 2021 by Dr No Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2021 Share #12 Posted January 3, 2021 vor 11 Minuten schrieb jdlaing: If certain countries traded fairly we wouldn’t have these tariffs. There might be different perspectives on what could be called fair. For the interests of the entire international community, it is sometimes necessary when smaller states occasionally resist being dominated by great powers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted January 3, 2021 Share #13 Posted January 3, 2021 I’ve never had a 50 cron.... I’m a 24/35/75 guy.....but I’m interested in the Portugal version of the non-Apo 50 cron.... I’m holding back till I hear some reviews that they truly are identical except for engraving.... I know it’s probably silly but as a hobbyist it’s not simply a ‘hunk of hardware’, the ability to rely on this lens hassle free combined with ‘emotional’ side of an investment is important. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 3, 2021 Share #14 Posted January 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, mnutzer said: There might be different perspectives on what could be called fair. For the interests of the entire international community, it is sometimes necessary when smaller states occasionally resist being dominated by great powers. Agreed. However........When a smaller state becomes a part of a greater union of smaller states and then decides to do its own thing, and not part of the greater union’s philosophy, it becomes necessary to invoke tariffs due to unfair trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 3, 2021 Share #15 Posted January 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, jdlaing said: If certain countries traded fairly we wouldn’t have these tariffs. Apart from politics, which is not my point, as a matter of economic policy, it is hard to see how a tariff on objective lenses from Germany which probably affects only Leica and then for a (relatively) small amount of trade, could be said to further any "affected" US industry. If the purpose of tariffs is to help American companies compete better for US business, this does nothing of the sort. I don't know about the other products from Germany on the list, but this one seems kind of strange. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 3, 2021 Share #16 Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, AlanJW said: Apart from politics, which is not my point, as a matter of economic policy, it is hard to see how a tariff on objective lenses from Germany which probably affects only Leica and then for a (relatively) small amount of trade, could be said to further any "affected" US industry. If the purpose of tariffs is to help American companies compete better for US business, this does nothing of the sort. I don't know about the other products from Germany on the list, but this one seems kind of strange. All part of the economy. Pressure applied across the board in an effort to have the companies with power react to their government. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 3, 2021 Share #17 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Danner said: But, why aren't Portuguese made lenses 20% less expensive? Me thinks, something is rotten in the state of Denmark. When the 25% tariff was imposed on Leica's lenses, they did not simply tack on 25% to the price of lenses headed to the United States. They raised prices across the board by 10% to circumvent U.S. based lens buyers from taking such a beating and used that 10% as a pool to pay the lens tariffs. Leica also apparently took a hit by covering a percentage of the tariffs themselves. If you will do a search, this was a topic of discussion on this forum back when the tariffs were implemented. Edited January 3, 2021 by Herr Barnack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted January 3, 2021 Share #18 Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, rsolomon said: I’ve never had a 50 cron.... I’m a 24/35/75 guy.....but I’m interested in the Portugal version of the non-Apo 50 cron.... I’m holding back till I hear some reviews that they truly are identical except for engraving.... I know it’s probably silly but as a hobbyist it’s not simply a ‘hunk of hardware’, the ability to rely on this lens hassle free combined with ‘emotional’ side of an investment is important. I don’t know for certain, but I suspect that lens probably has been made in Portugal for a while now. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted January 3, 2021 Share #19 Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, rsolomon said: I’ve never had a 50 cron.... I’m a 24/35/75 guy.....but I’m interested in the Portugal version of the non-Apo 50 cron.... I’m holding back till I hear some reviews that they truly are identical except for engraving.... I know it’s probably silly but as a hobbyist it’s not simply a ‘hunk of hardware’, the ability to rely on this lens hassle free combined with ‘emotional’ side of an investment is important. Picture of lens production in Porto in 2017 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316662-brand-new-series-m-lenses-from-wetzlar/?do=findComment&comment=4111467'>More sharing options...
Matlock Posted January 3, 2021 Share #20 Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, oldwino said: I don’t know for certain, but I suspect that lens probably has been made in Portugal for a while now. They have, see my post of production in 2017. The majority of Leica production is based in Porto and only final finishing and packaging takes place in Wetzler. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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