How about a Leica Q2-s?

[Kim Dahl]

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What are you thinking?  How about a Leica Q2-s?  with the same sensor as the Leica SL2-s and cheaper than the Q2.  I know you can not crop that much but 28/35 will be really nice.  And for press use, a low light sensor is really needed. I Think 👍🏻👍🏻

[Steven]

I love the idea of it. I think I'd do the trade against my Q2. While I do love the cropability, I rarely bring my Q2 out after sunset anymore. I just cant get nice low light photos. I also recently noticed that very few low light Q2 shots from the LFI gallery are selected as master shot. 

If any of you guys have some nice Q2 low light shots, share them here! 

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[Herr Barnack]

Cheaper?!?

Surely you jest...

 

[lct]

With 35/50/75 i could be interested but i don't hold my breath.

[dancook]

On 12/24/2020 at 3:45 PM, Steven said:

I love the idea of it. I think I'd do the trade against my Q2. While I do love the cropability, I rarely bring my Q2 out after sunset anymore. I just cant get nice low light photos. I also recently noticed that very few low light Q2 shots from the LFI gallery are selected as master shot. 

If any of you guys have some nice Q2 low light shots, share them here! 

When you start lifting shadows in low light Q2 shots, you get some horrible white pixelated noise.. 

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[Kim Dahl]

That is exactly the problem. If you work as a press photographer, there is a desire for MUCH better low light preformas. I completely understand why this is so on Q2. There are many mega pixels, with the benefits it provides. But if the camera (as in the old days with the Leica M) is to be bought by many press photographers and reportage photographers then much better AF and much better low light must be preformed. So Mestro 3 - (EVF as SL2-s) - lower pixels (for better low light preforms). This is how I think as a working press photographer.

Edited December 26, 2020 by Kim Dahl

[dancook]

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edit, incorrect details.

With a Q2M, I would have more flexibility in post processing and be able to use higher shutter speeds / get cleaner images.

Edited December 26, 2020 by dancook

[Steven]

5 minutes ago, dancook said:

Also a comment about the shot above,

I shot it at a very low shutter speed and leant against a wall to keep the camera still, so I could use an ISO where I still found the noise acceptable for use.

With a Q2M, I would have more flexibility in post processing and be able to use higher shutter speeds / get cleaner images.

What was the ISO and SS? 

[dancook]

18 minutes ago, Steven said:

What was the ISO and SS? 

In checking I realise I had a few things mixed up - shutter speed wasn't as low as I remember.

The above b+w image was 1/125th ISO5000 f1.7 ( i had been shooting live music so 1/125th was min needed for that)

This one is 1/30th ISO 2000 f1.7

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Q2 - Gavin by Daniel Cook, on Flickr

I could have stood to drop the shutter speed on the first black and white image, but only because the subject was still.

My comment still stands though about editing low light Q2 images, shadow noise is quite nasty - I raise the shadows to show a bit of detail in an audience, didn't look too bad due to how it was resized to fit the screen, but exported to jpg revealed a nasty noise

Edited December 26, 2020 by dancook

[Dr. G]

I would love a Q2-S. I ended up selling mine because I couldn't stand the noise at or above ISO 3200.  Plus, if they use the sensor in the SL2-S it has a lot more latitude for editing files i.e shadow and highlight recovery.  I'm in.

[vedivv]

The lower price for Q2-S would certainly be attractive.  

I don't find Q2 to be more noisy.  At above ISO 6400, noise looks bad on a per pixel level.  But if you downsample to 24MP, the amount of noise is pretty comparable.  Not sure about the highlight recovery though.  The flexibility of 47MP for cropping provides a lot of flexibility, a tradeoff that I am more than happy to make.

[ruskkyle]

The SL2-S has a range of benefits beyond the new sensor compared to the original SL - IBIS, new EVF, form factor etc etc.

But would a Q2-S be so compelling when compared to a good condition used Q at possibly half the price? 

[sebas_]

Would you say that the q2 performs similar to the SL2. I have the SL2 and thinking about adding the Q2 as a lighter all day carry around camera. 

[Leica28]

What about the Q?  It's a 24MP sensor like the SL-2s.  I know the engine is different but couldn't a firmware upgrade be the solution you are looking for?

[hdmesa]

On 1/19/2021 at 5:20 PM, Leica28 said:

What about the Q?  It's a 24MP sensor like the SL-2s.  I know the engine is different but couldn't a firmware upgrade be the solution you are looking for?

The Q sensor is not like the SL2-S sensor except for being a similar resolution. The SL2-S is a completely new, modern BSI sensor compared with the almost six year old Q sensor.

[axio]

If there is really Q2-s, I think I will buy it.

[Mute-on]

I suspect a Q2-s would be attractive for many buyers.  New tech with fewer mp and a more “affordable” price than Q2. 

Might even be enough to lure me into digital Leica ownership ..... 

[Mahesh]

Yes please, I've been thinking of this too and was thinking of adding a new topic here. I'll buy a Q2s especially with a lower price in a heartbeat

[sebben]

I would make that my first Q

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[Kwokaun]

Yea definitely! I’d love a Q2 with the SL2-S sensor. The low light performance would be perfect for my use as a complimentary body to my SL2-S.