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On 8/4/2021 at 6:45 AM, hoolyproductions said:

Oodi library, Helsinki, 24-90

Beautiful.  I like the building and googled it.  The architects, ALA Architects seem to have a number of wonderful buildings.

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Trough the tunnel...

SL2S, 16-35

Just think about buying a pure  black and white (M10M or Q2monochrome) - don't know whether it's worth 8000 Euro.... 😬 It seems to me  that the b/w-look of SL2 (this picture converted to b/w  with silver effex) is nearly identical to those taken with m10m / q2m ???  Worth 8000 Euro??? Hmmmmmm

 

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13 minutes ago, HPFM said:

It seems to me  that the b/w-look of SL2 (this picture converted to b/w  with silver effex) is nearly identical to those taken with m10m / q2m ???  Worth 8000 Euro??? Hmmmmmm

I don't own a monochrom camera so I have no axe to grind but I suspect that monochrom owners might strongly disagree with you.  And there's the additional high-ISO that the absence of a Bayer Matrix allows.  At the end of the day, if a SL2-S file converted to b&W pleases you then that's all that matters isn't it?  Also you/we are viewing this at A3-ish size on a computer screen but a large print of a monochrom picture might reveal a defining difference.

Pete.

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5 minutes ago, farnz said:

... monochrom owners might strongly disagree with you. 

Stong disagreement not but ...

I love the BW/Sepia conversions that I could produce with files from the Q ... not all of them but if the colors and contrast were right they worked. However a new Q is not

available.

Just dropped a huge amount of video gear ... cameras, lights, sound, and all the peripherals ... returning to stills and the solitude that they allow.

Have a new Q2 Monochrom which was modestly priced considering the divestment. And a bit away from 8000 Euro.

BW conversions, monochrom sensors and film emulsions all allow us to find a way to convey our perception of reality ... in shape, contrast and light and shadow.

None of them is identical ... M10 Mono Q2 Mono M246 and the original all give a different look if you look closely enough, as do conversions of color captures, and

perhaps more so ... film stocks. TriX vs Pan F vs Delta 400 vs Neopan 400 vs APX 100 ... 35 vs 120 vs 4x5. None of them identical but many similarities in what you

can evoke. Density of tonality and midtone contrast is markedly different and while you can approximate one to the other ... its a bit different.

I find that if I take a photograph ... manipulate it to my heart's content ... and do a similar thing a week, month or year later ... the results are dissimilar. I have read that

the older photographers printed their negatives differently over time.

Wield the axe you have and find the image hiding in the wood ... or woods.

All good fun ... and rewarding to share a bit of the beauty that surrounds our daily slog through this short, short existence.

Calls for a picture ...

Q2M Silver EFEX and my own spin on platinum ....

 

Appears much softer here than original ... nothing new that.

Best regards,

Bob

 

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Hi Bob, thank you for your comment and your thoughts about b/w !!  You are right and i have to think again about buying a q2m or a m10monochrome...... Hope my wife will forgive me for spending so much money to LEICA :-)))) Because i am owning some lenses for "M" i think i prefer a m10 monochrome - if there is enough money.... so long taking pictures with the sl2 / sl2s :-)))))

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Frank

vor 33 Minuten schrieb docmoore:

BW conversions, monochrom sensors and film emulsions all allow us to find a way to convey our perception of reality ... in shape, contrast and light and shadow.

None of them is identical ... M10 Mono Q2 Mono M246 and the original all give a different look if you look closely enough, as do conversions of color captures, and

perhaps more so ... film stocks. TriX vs Pan F vs Delta 400 vs Neopan 400 vs APX 100 ... 35 vs 120 vs 4x5. None of them identical but many similarities in what you

can evoke. Density of tonality and midtone contrast is markedly different and while you can approximate one to the other ... its a bit different.

I find that if I take a photograph ... manipulate it to my heart's content ... and do a similar thing a week, month or year later ... the results are dissimilar. I have read that

the older photographers printed their negatives differently over time.

 

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Frank,

If you already have M lenses the M10M makes a lot of sense. I would prefer that the Q2M were available with a 24 and a 75 ... even something similar in size to the

75 Summarit which I loved ... or the size of the thin 90 tele-elmarit.

I love the imaging of the 1.7 28 on the Q cameras but solely 28 is a bit limiting ... and cropping does not change the perspective of the lens ... just narrows the

angle of view.

Photography on the whole is not an expensive hobby ... maybe so to collecting shells if you live by the beach. But glass holds its value even today and can be used for

a life-time with a bit of care.

As your BW conversions look great there should be no rush to make the switch ...

Best regards,

Bob

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