Tp2000 Posted December 21, 2020 Share #41 Posted December 21, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just to satisfy anyone's lingering curiosity, shot 1 was the Summilux, shot 2 the Apo. The clue being the vignetting on the 2nd photo. Was surprised re: the fringing on the APO shot in the branches at the back. What I will say is that I've been consistently amazed by both lenses, I'm lucky I don't have to choose between them. However I think the Summilux might win if I was backed into a corner - open it is lovely, creating some exceptional separation at moderate distances that I don't see with the APO. Stopped down, then I find it hard to tell them apart most of the time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 Hi Tp2000, Take a look here If you have both: when and why 50 APO or Summilux?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Robert Blanko Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share #42 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) vor einer Stunde schrieb Tp2000: Just to satisfy anyone's lingering curiosity, shot 1 was the Summilux, shot 2 the Apo. The clue being the vignetting on the 2nd photo. Was surprised re: the fringing on the APO shot in the branches at the back. What I will say is that I've been consistently amazed by both lenses, I'm lucky I don't have to choose between them. However I think the Summilux might win if I was backed into a corner - open it is lovely, creating some exceptional separation at moderate distances that I don't see with the APO. Stopped down, then I find it hard to tell them apart most of the time. Thanks for the comparison and thanks for disclosing the solution! 😳 That‘s indeed not what I would have expected. In view of the fringing in the tree, I would have thought it would be the opposite. Maybe Leica did not control longitudinal and lateral chromatic aberrations equally well? The focusing distance was the same in both cases? Edited December 21, 2020 by Robert Blanko Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted December 24, 2020 Share #43 Posted December 24, 2020 I have both the apo and lux in black chrome, previously i used noctilux asph for a couple of years, and prior to that i had used lux and later apo subsequently weird? Yeah i felt that too but that day i decided the noctilux isnt exactly the lens to my liking despite most of the time i shoot portrait, i felt it limits my creativity due to its big size and 1m focusing distance i missed the apo, i got it and after few months, i just felt i needed the extra stops and less genuine feel, not like being too truthful, but this time i want to own both hahaha I just love both lenses, they produced different results despite its similarities, even at f2, the bokeh renders differently and i prefer the apo in this situation i always shot widest open though 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbrown Posted December 24, 2020 Share #44 Posted December 24, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 2:30 AM, lct said: Banally, 50/1.4 asph in low light or when i need shallow DoF and 50/2 apo otherwise. If i had to select one it would be the 50/1.4 asph for its low light capabilities. YMMV. I just released my APO into the wild because I had a chrome M10 and used it often on it, but then when I replaced that body with a black chrome M10-R I also got my first Summilux. I kept the APO for a few more months to see if there was really really a big difference in the way I shoot, and it really was the sharper lens, the more perfect lens wide open... but it wasn't the 'LOOK' I was going for, so the Lux ASPH stayed in my bag and the APO transformed into a SL2-S and a S to L mount adapter magically at the Leica Store LA. Crazy how that happens. But really, I think for an overall lens choice it would be the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH in the old school style and black chrome for me. I never thought I would care if a lens was f1.4 or f2, but evidently I do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkinners Posted December 25, 2020 Share #45 Posted December 25, 2020 apo50 stays permanent on my M10-P and now M10-R. lux asph on my film Leica. In rare case that I shoot portrait I move the asph from Leica MP to M digital . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted December 25, 2020 Share #46 Posted December 25, 2020 Am 7.12.2020 um 22:06 schrieb 80_20: As a lucky owner of a 0,95/50, 1,4/50 FLE and 2,0/50 APO, I would always choose the APO for its performance and size - even if it lacks 1-2 stops, it is able to compensate with a fantastic 3D-look thanks to a strong decline of contrast beyond the focal plane. @80_20Could you maybe comment on the examples from @TP2000 in post #35? I can not see any 3D-look nor strong decline of contrast beyond the focal plane. Maybe this is just because of the forum quality. Still the example is very good as it is just a normal picture taken with 50mm. And I am sure that we could even not say that a Canon 50mm would give us results that would be different from what we see above. Its all a question of lightroom or equivalent. This is my experience as I use more than one camera brand (depending on the job) and I own 4 different 50mm lenses of which 2 are for Leica-M. I think that higher resolution would bring more quality than a step from lux to APO. And f1.4 is more versatile as f/2 anyway. I prefer to have to lowest possible ISO for my landscape, travel and architecture pictures that I do almost every single day. Of course the APO is one of the best 50mm on the market but not in a way that one could see differences in everyday photography even though your work might be on a very high artistc level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted December 25, 2020 Share #47 Posted December 25, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) When I want to compare lenses or study their rendering, I always search for (close) portraits on Flickr etc. A picture of a tree or something else usually doesn't tell me much. But maybe that's just me. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted December 25, 2020 Share #48 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) With regard to the 50 Summilux ASPH vs. 50 Summicron APO question - it seems that we are splitting hairs with regard to image quality. Both are stellar performers with different renderings. It (apparently) takes a microscope to tell which lens produces "better" image quality; that's starting to sound like splitting hairs. Two questions that should factor into the decision to buy one lens over the other are: Which camera(s) will you be using with the lens? And, what subject matter/use(s) will the lens be purchased for? And then we confront the elephant in the room: Will the $8795 USD 50 Summicron APO make images that have twice the image quality of images from the $4395 USD 50 Summilux ASPH? And, will the extra $4400 USD invested in the 50 Summicron APO be money well spent? I have to admit that I am playing devil's advocate just a bit, since the 50 Summicron APO is on my "ten most wanted material possessions" list. I would also like to have a copy of the 50 Summilux ASPH, too (I know - I'm a terrible person 😢). Edited December 25, 2020 by Herr Barnack 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrostl Posted December 25, 2020 Share #49 Posted December 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: It (apparently) takes a microscope to tell which lens produces "better" image quality I find it extremely easy to discern which is which from DigLloyd's A/B sample images at far less than 100% - the APO has more detail, and especially a flatter field. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted December 26, 2020 Share #50 Posted December 26, 2020 19 hours ago, astrostl said: I find it extremely easy to discern which is which from DigLloyd's A/B sample images at far less than 100% - the APO has more detail, and especially a flatter field. In my View, it is for close-ups you see the biggest différence : the lux Asph is really really far from the Apo Cron if you shoot at f2 or 2.8 at 1m Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted December 26, 2020 Share #51 Posted December 26, 2020 A cheap picture is a cheap picture whether it is taken with a 7500 € Apo-Summicron 50 or a 450 € Elmar 50. Same with a good picture. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted December 27, 2020 Share #52 Posted December 27, 2020 19 hours ago, didier said: In my View, it is for close-ups you see the biggest différence : the lux Asph is really really far from the Apo Cron if you shoot at f2 or 2.8 at 1m Could you, please, show an example? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted December 27, 2020 Share #53 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) FYR. If you read the MTF chart, the difference between two lenses is so obvious. APO-50's contrast against different lp/mm is relatively stable while compare with 50-Lux on every stop. Meanwhile, from the perspective of "Relative Distortion" and "Effective Distortion", APO-50 wins. These differentiation affect on the digital/analog photography for sure, especially while in the scenario of low speed exposure. Edited December 27, 2020 by Erato Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted December 27, 2020 Share #54 Posted December 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Lelmer said: Could you, please, show an example? I don’t do side by side comparison, but here is a portrait whose clarity and details you won’t get (in my View with my copy if the Lux) from the ‘lux 50 at that distance. shot with M10M + APO 50, no reframing. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315796-if-you-have-both-when-and-why-50-apo-or-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=4106704'>More sharing options...
pedaes Posted December 27, 2020 Share #55 Posted December 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, didier said: here is a portrait Lovely. Although this little chap would look good shot with a 3.5 Elmar LTM! 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted December 27, 2020 Share #56 Posted December 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, didier said: I don’t do side by side comparison, but here is a portrait whose clarity and details you won’t get (in my View with my copy if the Lux) from the ‘lux 50 at that distance. shot with M10M + APO 50, no reframing. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! So cute...but I'd agree with pedaes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted December 27, 2020 Share #57 Posted December 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, Lelmer said: So cute...but I'd agree with pedaes My favourite Lens for that Kind of Photos is the 'lux 75, though it is difficult to use. I am not fast enough with it to nail Focus with a high Keeper Rate with Toddlers, but when Focus is spot on, Results are great ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315796-if-you-have-both-when-and-why-50-apo-or-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=4106734'>More sharing options...
epand56 Posted December 28, 2020 Share #58 Posted December 28, 2020 17 hours ago, didier said: shot with M10M + APO 50, no reframing. Maybe I'm blind, but I can't see any difference with a picture taken with my Summicron v. 4 (mine it even more sharp) or any other Summicron or Summilux or Elmarit around. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted December 28, 2020 Share #59 Posted December 28, 2020 If you are blind, how can you make pictures? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted December 28, 2020 Share #60 Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Gobert said: If you are blind, how can you make pictures? In fact, I'm no blind at all. But sure I know how money can make you shoot better pictures 😁 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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