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The only pancake lenses I'm aware of for M mount are MS Optical and Lomography made.

Pancake and quality is oxymoron. 

MS Optical has different versions of 28, 35 but all of them have variations in quality. 

Info, including pictures about MS Optical lenses is available on-line.

Minitar from Lomography is 32mm lens and quality doesn't exist in regular term. It is lens with character.

You could get compact lenses, but I wouldn't call them as pancakes.

Orion 15 is very compact and direct alternative to Summaron 28. I had one and surprisingly this lens was giving sharp images with fine colours. Even on digital M. But it is also lens with quality variations from copy to copy. Due to age and origins.

For 35mm Color Skopar is really hard to beat for compactness and quality. While it is very flat rendering lens on BW film, it is totally fine on colour film and good on digital M.

Some old and odd Nikkor and Canon alternatives for compact lenses, non of them are pancakes, is gamble for quality due to their age. 

I'd rather get original 35 3.5 Summaron in LTM. Not too expensive, slightly smaller than Skopars and it has native Leitz quirks in rendering.

 

 

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If you don't mind used a Canon 25mm f3.5 or 28mm f2.8 in LTM would work. I have the 25 and it is my go to lens for my M8 and nice on an M3.  

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Tessar 35/3.5 adapted by MS Optical. Superb lens but difficult to find.

 

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You want another 35mm or another focal? I have the 35mm skopar as well and find it to be a wonderful lens, you don't like it?

Perhaps the leica 35mm 1.4 preapsh v2 summilux, beautiful lens and very small, but close up distance was 1m reason for which I sold it.

Other pancake options might be the voigrñander 21mm skopar as well.

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Here’s two that are very small.

 

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MS 28/2 Apoqualia is still in production. It is a lot faster than the Summaron ; not highest resolving lens, maybe best matched to Tri-X.

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On 11/21/2020 at 2:26 PM, Ko.Fe. said:

For 35mm Color Skopar is really hard to beat for compactness and quality.

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If I’m just taking a single body/lens that’s it: Color Skopar on M10. 

If I have a bag and more space I switch to the 35/1.4 FLE. 

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On 11/22/2020 at 4:10 PM, BradS said:

What's not to like about the 35mm f/2.5 Color Skopar?

Great lens for not a lot of money.

I had all three versions of this lens. 

It was very good on M8, fine on M-E 220. Color film was good as well. But by the time I was going through those lenses, I was much more into BW film and darkroom printing. This lens was very boring lens for it. Just flat rendering. I switched to Summarit-M 35 2.5 and it is totally opposite. For compact 35mm lens I have Nokton 35 1.4 II now. Same nothing special on bw film, but I'm fine with it on M-E 220. Servers well as compact, yet fast lens.

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1 hour ago, Ko.Fe. said:

I had all three versions of this lens. 

It was very good on M8, fine on M-E 220. Color film was good as well. But by the time I was going through those lenses, I was much more into BW film and darkroom printing. This lens was very boring lens for it. Just flat rendering. I switched to Summarit-M 35 2.5 and it is totally opposite. For compact 35mm lens I have Nokton 35 1.4 II now. Same nothing special on bw film, but I'm fine with it on M-E 220. Servers well as compact, yet fast lens.

I had the latest M-mount version. Always used a yellow filter with it for B&W. I really loved everything about this lens except the focal length...well, I wasn't in love with the aperture dial ergonomics either.  The optic has no bad manners..it is sharp and crisp and just does what it is supposed to do without needing a lot of thought. However, to me, the 35mm focal length is just boring - a poor compromise between the 50m and 28mm focal lengths - and it doesn't matter what name is on the lens...still boring. Reminds me of  those cheap, plastic, auto-everything 35mm point and shoot cameras from the 1980's and 1990's. It is nice when you need to make that compromise...when minimum size and weight are the most important consideration.

All that said, if I ever did buy another 35mm m-mount lens, I'd surely opt for the Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 Biogon - I simply prefer the Zeiss ZM ergonomics...and the optics certainly don't suck either. :)

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1 hour ago, BradS said:

I had the latest M-mount version. Always used a yellow filter with it for B&W. I really loved everything about this lens except the focal length...well, I wasn't in love with the aperture dial ergonomics either.  The optic has no bad manners..it is sharp and crisp and just does what it is supposed to do without needing a lot of thought. However, to me, the 35mm focal length is just boring - a poor compromise between the 50m and 28mm focal lengths - and it doesn't matter what name is on the lens...still boring. Reminds me of  those cheap, plastic, auto-everything 35mm point and shoot cameras from the 1980's and 1990's. It is nice when you need to make that compromise...when minimum size and weight are the most important consideration.

All that said, if I ever did buy another 35mm m-mount lens, I'd surely opt for the Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 Biogon - I simply prefer the Zeiss ZM ergonomics...and the optics certainly don't suck either. :)

 

You might be surprised how many known Leica photogs used 35mm lens. Including HCB and GW.

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154854

 

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18 minutes ago, Ko.Fe. said:

 

You might be surprised how many known Leica photogs used 35mm lens. Including HCB and GW.

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154854

 

Not at all. I fully realize that many use the 35mm focal length and some even use it almost exclusively. It's just not for me. It's too close to both 28mm and 50mm to really justify the cost and weight. If I have those two focal lengths, and I always do, then I don't need nor want the in-the-middle 35mm focal length too. Like I said, it's a compromise lens. If you really can only afford to carry one...compromise and carry the 35mm (but I'd likely take either the 50mm or the 28mm and be happy) otherwise, take the 28mm and 50mm (and two bodies!)

... and the fact that some famous photographer has used this or that equipment does not matter much to me. Although such information can be kinda interesting, it certainly does not influence my decision regarding what to use.

 

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19 minutes ago, BradS said:

Not at all. I fully realize that many use the 35mm focal length and some even use it almost exclusively. It's just not for me. It's too close to both 28mm and 50mm to really justify the cost and weight. If I have those two focal lengths, and I always do, then I don't need nor want the in-the-middle 35mm focal length too. Like I said, it's a compromise lens. If you really can only afford to carry one...compromise and carry the 35mm (but I'd likely take either the 50mm or the 28mm and be happy) otherwise, take the 28mm and 50mm (and two bodies!)

... and the fact that some famous photographer has used this or that equipment does not matter much to me. Although such information can be kinda interesting, it certainly does not influence my decision regarding what to use.

 

Nor it is matter to me or to this thread to call 35mm lenses as boring and compromise. Odd statements, IMO.

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58 minutes ago, Ko.Fe. said:

Nor it is matter to me ... to call 35mm lenses as boring and compromise.

 

..but of course my opinion of the 35mm focal length doesn't matter to you or anybody else. It certainly should not matter.  Why would it?

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On 11/25/2020 at 2:39 AM, Ko.Fe. said:

his lens was very boring lens for it. Just flat rendering

I find skopars have a flat rendering in bw imho. You can tell how good a lens by how it resolves inner tonal detail in those low contrast areas. Sometimes in color the saturation masks that out 

The 35mm summarit does well on those areas imho.

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